Unpopular Music Opinions

ribbons · 02-25-2021, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday

That really nails it. That's what I was clumsily trying to express with angular and meandering

Your expression of angular and meandering was perfect and prompted me to think of that quote. So yay, you!

**Exo** · 02-25-2021, 07:53 PM

It's very strange to me why Monk doesn't resonate with me. I really do think it just has to do with solo jazz piano being one of my least favorite sounds in jazz. Besides maybe McCoy Tyner, I'm much more drawn to who is on brass, winds, and percussion.

**Marie Monday** · 02-26-2021, 03:03 AM

That makes sense, I'm mostly drawn to drums and piano in jazz (like Cecil Taylor made 'sense' to me much sooner than most free jazz musicians I've heard so far) but I think that's partly because jazz is new to me and those instruments are what I'm used to; I grew up playing piano and I've always been naturally drawn to rhythms and percussion.

adidasss · 02-27-2021, 09:26 AM

Ok so just going over the Cream discography and every time I land on some kind of live version or an extended instrumental/solo, I get a little annoyed after a while. I think a lot people appreciate them precisely for those improvs, but they seem meandering and pointless to me. Or just annoying, like for example the drum solo on Toad. If I was at their concerns at the time I would probably start rolling my eyes very soon. Apparently Clapton said their later performances were just each of them trying to one-up the others.

:/

**Frownland** · 02-27-2021, 09:38 AM

I haven't seen much praise for their improv but generally agree. What makes them great is their songwriting and hallucinatory, heavy sound best showcased on Disraeli Gears. Neither Clapton nor the insanely overrated Ginger Baker are interesting enough to sustain an extended jam. Jack Bruce's Zappa work tells me he probably has the chops for it though.

adidasss · 02-27-2021, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I haven't seen much praise for their improv but generally agree. What makes them great is their songwriting and hallucinatory, heavy sound best showcased on Disraeli Gears. Neither Clapton nor the insanely overrated Ginger Baker are interesting enough to sustain an extended jam. Jack Bruce's Zappa work tells me he probably has the chops for it though.

Wiki gives a confusing entry on that:

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"Apostrophe (')" is an instrumental featuring bassist Jack Bruce and session drummer Jim Gordon, who was on tour with Zappa's band at the time of the session in November 1972. Bruce is credited on the album cover with bass guitar and co-writing the title song. However, in an interview for Polish rock magazine Tylko Rock he said that he had not played any bass guitar parts or done any co-writing on "Apostrophe (')", only the cello intro. He reminisced, "So I turned up in a NY studio with my cello, I'm listening to [Zappa's] music, pretty awful, and just don't know what to do with myself, and Frank [Zappa] says to me: "Listen, I would like you to play a sound, like this... whaaaaaang!!!" So I did what he asked me to do. Whaaaaaang!!! That was all. That was my input to Frank Zappa's most popular record! [laughs]"[10] Bruce had studied the instrument at the Royal Scottish Academy of Music and Drama and performed with it on some of his other recordings.

However, Zappa has referred to Bruce playing bass on the song in an interview: "Well, that was just a jam thing that happened because he was a friend of (drummer) Jim Gordon. I found it very difficult to play with him; he's too busy. He doesn't really want to play the bass in terms of root functions; I think he has other things on his mind. But that's the way jam sessions go."[11]

I guess we'll believe Zappa who apparently didn't do drugs?

Also, that's a banging track, whoever played bass on it.

**Frownland** · 02-27-2021, 10:25 AM

Huh, TIL. Jack Bruce was probably just so high that he thought he was playing in an especially weird Derek and the Dominoes jam session, all the while fascinated by Clapton's new moustache and ability to play outside of the pentatonic scale.

The Batlord · 02-27-2021, 10:27 AM

Six Feet Under are basic af but still super entertaining. Like a stoner metal band playing death metal.

The Batlord · 02-27-2021, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Six Feet Under are basic af but still super entertaining. Like a stoner metal band playing death metal.

Like seriously I've heard cover albums by metal bands and they're always useless but Six Feet Under are self conscious enough to know how dumb and fun it is to do goofy death metal covers of "TNT" and "Smoke on the Water".

The Batlord · 02-27-2021, 09:11 PM

That's why you can click on a video and know what you're talking about.

02-25-2021, 07:53 PM	#17512 (permalink)
Exo All day jazz and biscuits Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: NJ Posts: 7,354	It's very strange to me why Monk doesn't resonate with me. I really do think it just has to do with solo jazz piano being one of my least favorite sounds in jazz. Besides maybe McCoy Tyner, I'm much more drawn to who is on brass, winds, and percussion. __________________ LastFM SUPREME POO BAH MODERATOR EXTRAORDINAIRE

02-27-2021, 09:26 AM	#17514 (permalink)
adidasss Slavic gay sauce Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Abu Dhabi Posts: 7,993	Ok so just going over the Cream discography and every time I land on some kind of live version or an extended instrumental/solo, I get a little annoyed after a while. I think a lot people appreciate them precisely for those improvs, but they seem meandering and pointless to me. Or just annoying, like for example the drum solo on Toad. If I was at their concerns at the time I would probably start rolling my eyes very soon. Apparently Clapton said their later performances were just each of them trying to one-up the others. :/ __________________ “Think of what a paradise this world would be if men were kind and wise.” - Kurt Vonnegut, Cat's Cradle. Last.fm

02-27-2021, 09:38 AM	#17515 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	I haven't seen much praise for their improv but generally agree. What makes them great is their songwriting and hallucinatory, heavy sound best showcased on Disraeli Gears. Neither Clapton nor the insanely overrated Ginger Baker are interesting enough to sustain an extended jam. Jack Bruce's Zappa work tells me he probably has the chops for it though. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

02-27-2021, 10:25 AM	#17517 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Huh, TIL. Jack Bruce was probably just so high that he thought he was playing in an especially weird Derek and the Dominoes jam session, all the while fascinated by Clapton's new moustache and ability to play outside of the pentatonic scale. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x