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OccultHawk · 07-13-2019, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Doug McClasky

There are a lot of pioneering thrash bands. Thrash itself is the combination of hardcore punk and metal. Pioneering crossover is like pioneering pop punk. Ask Metallica about the Ramones and Discharge and see what they have to say. I'll bet they're pro Ramones and Discharge.

I don’t care what Metallica thinks about The Ramones.

The Batlord · 07-13-2019, 05:51 PM

Yeah I know hardcore punk existed in 1983. I'm not retarded. Metallica being the hardest band on the planet isn't my point. Metallica being a band who merged hardcore punk and metal and did it in a way that was relevant to and changed metal is the point. And in 1983 DRI was a ****ing hardcore band not really doing that much to merge the two sounds, and even when they did they only did so in a way that was a hardcore punk band using Metallica and Slayer riffs. Crossover in general was this. Metallica was a far more forward thinking band.

OccultHawk · 07-13-2019, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Doug McClasky

Yeah I know hardcore punk existed in 1983. I'm not retarded. Metallica being the hardest band on the planet isn't my point. Metallica being a band who merged hardcore punk and metal and did it in a way that was relevant to and changed metal is the point.

DRI really bridged the genres though. Metallica was always just metal.

The Batlord · 07-13-2019, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

DRI really bridged the genres though. Metallica was always just metal.

DRI was a hardcore punk band with metal riffs. That's all they were. They were cool. But they could have not existed and nothing would have changed. Maybe Slayer wouldn't have been as fast but I'm sure someone else would have been fast.

OccultHawk · 07-13-2019, 05:57 PM

Was Damaged important

I know you’re constantly going to say I’m missing the point but you never stated your criteria cleanly

OccultHawk · 07-13-2019, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Doug McClasky

DRI was a hardcore punk band with metal riffs. That's all they were. They were cool. But they could have not existed and nothing would have changed. Maybe Slayer wouldn't have been as fast but I'm sure someone else would have been fast.

Don’t be revisionist. No woulda coulda shoulda

They did something important and deserve credit for it

The Batlord · 07-13-2019, 06:00 PM

I thought the idea of thrash was known and understood. Thrash = metal + hardcore punk. Doesn't everyone on this ****ing site know that that's what thrash is? Should I get on a train with a billboard and start shouting it to random people while waving my sign at them?

"Hey, ***got! Metallica likes Diamond Head and Discharge! Do you plant tulips?!"

**Frownland** · 07-13-2019, 06:01 PM

Suicidal blended the genres more coherently than DRI (for better or worse) and were more influential but that's kind of an unfair to say since the influence between those bands is a two way street.

OccultHawk · 07-13-2019, 06:01 PM

And by what standard does elph’s pick of Unknown Pleasures fail to qualify?

OccultHawk · 07-13-2019, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Doug McClasky

I thought the idea of thrash was known and understood. Thrash = metal + hardcore punk. Doesn't everyone on this ****ing site know that that's what thrash is? Should I get on a train with a billboard and start shouting it to random people while waving my sign at them?

"Hey, ***got! Metallica likes Diamond Head and Discharge! Do you plant tulips?!"

07-13-2019, 05:57 PM	#16315 (permalink)
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07-13-2019, 06:01 PM	#16318 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Suicidal blended the genres more coherently than DRI (for better or worse) and were more influential but that's kind of an unfair to say since the influence between those bands is a two way street. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

07-13-2019, 06:01 PM	#16319 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	And by what standard does elph’s pick of Unknown Pleasures fail to qualify? __________________ 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Member of the Year & Journal of the Year Champion Behold the Writing of THE LEGEND: https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...p-lighter.html