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OccultHawk · 07-13-2019, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

The Smiths influence on indie all the way up to the present is one of the biggest shadows I can think of since The Beatles

I agree. They carved a new space, bat.

OccultHawk · 07-13-2019, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

sure in their subgenre of a subgenre but so are a long list of bands in the time period given

the popularity of groups like Ramones and Joy Division changed the very concept of a rock band

The Ramones don’t have peers but yes I see that with Joy Division.

The Batlord · 07-13-2019, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Still have to remove The Ramones despite your disclaimer.

Van Halen was great but the bands they inspired were not. So by that measure no.

I thought I did. Musically Metallica brought together what was happening at the time and did it in a way that no other band was prepared to do in such a forward thinking way but they did not reinvent the wheel that the Ramones did. Without Metallica I think 80s metal might have required perhaps two three or more bands doing what they did in perhaps one or two more years time and without their vision of seriousness I don't know that those bands in that time would have convinced enough people to care to solidify into the scene that evolved by the late 80s. I mean Master of Puppets sounds like metal taking itself seriously, but compare Kill Em All to anything by Judas Priest or Iron Maiden in 1983 and tell me that Metallica didn't have an undercurrent of unification for people who thought that metal could be anything other than goofy fun. Kill Em All was legit the end of the NWOBHM and all of the silly bull**** prog and AOR sensibilities still existing in metal at the time.

The Batlord · 07-13-2019, 05:49 PM

Just take Diamond Head, a band whose music and riffs helped to bridge 70s and 80s metal, and listen to their most famous song from 1980, and listen to Metallica's cover from 1983 and tell me Metallica hadn't changed something on a massive level simply by their attitude and their approach in a way that changed how metal was to be perceived from then till this day. The songs are the same, but somehow completely different.

OccultHawk · 07-13-2019, 05:52 PM

I get where you’re coming from. @bat

The Batlord · 07-13-2019, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

so they're important to metal

nobody would question that

Ramones are important to practically ****ing every band worth anything since

I didn't say they were on the same level as the Ramones. I said they were the next truly important band. They were the band that allowed metal to rightfully adopt punk's edge rather than just being heavier classic rock which was honestly what a lot of the NWOBHM bands did (which is why nobody remembers them). Like I said. Look at their early covers. They made a lot of bands irrelevant.

OccultHawk · 07-13-2019, 06:19 PM

How about Kollaps?

The Batlord · 07-13-2019, 06:25 PM

Of course industrial is more extreme than metal but it's also a completely different form of music and one that didn't have the impact on the populace as what Metallica started.

OccultHawk · 07-13-2019, 06:30 PM

Dri?

The Batlord · 07-13-2019, 06:32 PM

Are you just throwing out random bands now?

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