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07-13-2019, 04:51 PM | #16291 (permalink) | |
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Were they as musically innovative as the Ramones? No. But they combined everything that was going on in metal and punk at the time in a package that was quite possibly the most perfectly realized metal album before and after their debut (to this day). There's no other album I can think of that encapsulates everything about metal as much as Metallica's debut, and it was a focus point of influence for what would immediately become the thrash movement.
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07-13-2019, 04:52 PM | #16292 (permalink) |
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Yeah I was taken aback by that, too but I let it go because he’s talking about putting forth a framework (I think)
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07-13-2019, 04:57 PM | #16293 (permalink) | |
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Was VH as important as Kill Em All? That depends on what you’re trying to measure.
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07-13-2019, 05:15 PM | #16294 (permalink) | |
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I'm not putting them on the same level on a creative level. I'm saying that the Ramones debut album was massively important to punk and alternative rock in a way that is a milestone. And Metallica's debut is similarly important as a milestone in a way that hadn't been seen since the Ramones.
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I'm saying did Van Halen influence anything truly important and watershed in the way that the Ramones and Metallica did with their debuts?
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07-13-2019, 05:16 PM | #16296 (permalink) |
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Even bands you don't like can be influential, believe it or not.
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07-13-2019, 05:27 PM | #16297 (permalink) | |
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I'd say Joy Division were pretty ****ing influential and deserve a place at the table but the Smiths were part of what was already happening. But Metallica legit set a place at the table that every metal band at the time noticed and everything that happened after was changed as a result of their debut. Most certainly the bands in their area readily admit that Metallica showed them all how to do what they were all working towards. And metal in the 80s was quite possibly the biggest musical movement of that time.
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Van Halen was great but the bands they inspired were not. So by that measure no.
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07-13-2019, 05:30 PM | #16299 (permalink) |
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You may not realize what an insanely vast and talented musical universe grew out of thrash.
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07-13-2019, 05:34 PM | #16300 (permalink) |
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Besides the first 3 I hate them too and they are by far the worst of the Big 4. But their influence is phenomenal.
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