Unpopular Music Opinions

The Batlord · 02-18-2018, 08:12 PM

If he's not a fan of superheroes then a book that, while being a deconstruction of superheroes, is also kind of more traditional might not be as good a bet as one that takes an even bigger dump on superhero conventions. You could actually read Watchmen as a superhero comic without even worrying too much about what it's saying, but not with Miracleman. It's too confrontational.

OccultHawk · 02-18-2018, 08:46 PM

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Yes, but it's an edition that uses the original black and white art before it got reprinted in full color a little while later. If you're cool with that then by all means, other wise you'll have to deal with like 6 volumes or however many.

Black and white: https://www.instocktrades.com/TP/IDW...NET)/APR150415 (I've used this site and it's legit)

Color: https://www.amazon.com/Miracleman-Bo...iracleman+book

Honestly though digital comics are where it's at.

How many pages is that color one? It’s pretty spendy.

I don’t have a kindle or anything

I read on my phone but I read mostly (like 90%) on paper text.

How do you get your reading material?

The Batlord · 02-18-2018, 09:11 PM

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How many pages is that color one? It’s pretty spendy.

First four issues so I'd say somewhere in the neighborhood of a hundred pages. And it's hardcover so yeah it's more than a paperback. Miracleman was out of print for years cause of some legal ****, and it was always pretty obscure, so I guess there just hasn't been much demand for a bunch of different collections. As a result the original issues will put you out for well over a hundred dollars.

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I don’t have a kindle or anything

I read on my phone but I read mostly (like 90%) on paper text.

How do you get your reading material?

Either from Amazon, In Stock Trades, or I steal it off the internet (you can basically get almost every comic ever made for free). I used to go to my local comic shop but that's gone now.

OccultHawk · 02-18-2018, 11:39 PM

I’m gonna order that and watchmen

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/14012...FQTHPTMU&psc=1

I’ll read both but I’m going to start with Watchmen since it made the Time list and won a Hugo. I’ve read a lot of Hugo winners and I’m rarely disappointed.

I’m thinking I might like Miracleman better since it’s considered more farout but with literature I’m usually pretty in line with the critics. I’ll let you know. My to read list is about 50 books long and I run throw a book about every ten days or so.

~~MicShazam~~ · 02-19-2018, 03:16 AM

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It was the comic I liked as a kid and the only comic I ever liked.

It's not a super hero comic or anything, but I feel like it's my duty to suggest that you read Maus.

(PS: There's 2 parts, but they usually come collected in one volume.)

There's a ton more, but this one is my "if you only ever read 1 comic, which one should it be?" pick.
Actually, Watchmen is a pretty good candidate for that as well, so listen to the Bat.

The Batlord · 02-19-2018, 03:50 AM

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it really is one of my favorite things ever

Rorschach>>>>>>

Spoiler for spoilers:

**Janszoon** · 02-19-2018, 06:32 AM

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Too much 80's rap sounds like Vanilla Ice and white people infomercial rap.

You really have that backwards.

rubber soul · 02-19-2018, 07:27 AM

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It's not a super hero comic or anything, but I feel like it's my duty to suggest that you read Maus.

(PS: There's 2 parts, but they usually come collected in one volume.)

There's a ton more, but this one is my "if you only ever read 1 comic, which one should it be?" pick.
Actually, Watchmen is a pretty good candidate for that as well, so listen to the Bat.

I read Maus. It's maybe the deepest graphic novel I ever read. My Grandmother was a Polish Jew who, fortunately, missed the Holocaust (her family emigrated to Canada in 1914). Still, it's a book that deeply affects me and I'm pretty much a fan of Spiegelman these days.

~~MicShazam~~ · 02-19-2018, 10:01 AM

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I read Maus. It's maybe the deepest graphic novel I ever read. My Grandmother was a Polish Jew who, fortunately, missed the Holocaust (her family emigrated to Canada in 1914). Still, it's a book that deeply affects me and I'm pretty much a fan of Spiegelman these days.

I think the approach Art Spiegelman takes to talking about the Jews in WWII is very clever. Telling his father's story, while simultaneously telling the story of himself interviewing his father about what happened back then - it just adds so many layers of character and gravity to the sad events that of course inevitably transpire.

I also also admire how Spiegelman does not merely portray the Nazi's as one note monsters with no humanity, or the jews as these angelic creatures with no real human faults. Instead, he dares tage a nuanced and realistic approach that doesn't let us lie to ourselves about what genocide really is and how it happens.

I really hate Spielberg's schmaltzy, simplistic approach to such important subject matter in Shchindler's List - a movie I honestly consider to be awful. I watched that movie for the first time the same month where I read Maus for the first time, so Spielberg's inane, dishonest telling of a similar story will always ring hollow to me.

Maus stares right into the human soul in a way Spielberg would never dare to.

It's a great book, but not always fun to read. Back when I first read it, I remember at a certain point in the book being so upset that I had to close the book and go for a walk to calm down.

Don't show school children Schindler's List. Have them read Maus. It's funny, poignant, terrifying, sad, depressing, heartwarming and humane. Spielberg is just a fraud that approaches a movie about the friggin' Holocaust the same way he would if he was made to direct a Lassie movie.

Sorry about turning this into a Spielberg rant

**Janszoon** · 02-19-2018, 10:09 AM

I think both Maus and Shchindler's List are good. Neither of those are music opinions though.

02-18-2018, 11:39 PM	#14744 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	I’m gonna order that and watchmen https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/14012...FQTHPTMU&psc=1 I’ll read both but I’m going to start with Watchmen since it made the Time list and won a Hugo. I’ve read a lot of Hugo winners and I’m rarely disappointed. I’m thinking I might like Miracleman better since it’s considered more farout but with literature I’m usually pretty in line with the critics. I’ll let you know. My to read list is about 50 books long and I run throw a book about every ten days or so. __________________ 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Member of the Year & Journal of the Year Champion Behold the Writing of THE LEGEND: https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...p-lighter.html

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Janszoon Mate, Spawn & Die Join Date: May 2007 Location: The Rapping Community Posts: 24,593	I think both Maus and Shchindler's List are good. Neither of those are music opinions though. __________________ A Night in the Life of the Invisible Man Time & Place 25 Albums You Should Hear Before the Moon Crashes into the Earth and We All Die last.fm