Unpopular Music Opinions

~~MicShazam~~ · 01-02-2018, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

^ Well, their use isn't explored or exploited by today's more popular genres, but they turn up regularly in our "World Music" section - especially in any thread that has "Gypsy" or "European" in it's title.

I've been getting more and more into that kind of thing over the course of 2017. That's why I even know that I like accordions.
My accordion listening quotient will be increased significantly in 2018!

OccultHawk · 01-02-2018, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam

I don't really get why Frown saying that he's influenced by an artist is so hard to accept. It's not exactly the same as saying you're as good as that artist. If you really admire the style of some artist and some of the stylings, techniques, expression and mannerisms of that artist somehow get fused and re-combined into your own creative output, then that's influence.

I’ll the conversation speak for itself.

Lisnaholic · 01-02-2018, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam

I've been getting more and more into that kind of thing over the course of 2017. That's why I even know that I like accordions.
My accordion listening quotient will be increased significantly in 2018!

^ Well, that's good news, MicShazam!
If you like, you can find accordion music here (http://www.musicbanter.com/avant-gar...r-s-guide.html) or here (http://www.musicbanter.com/country-f...-ha-douks.html) - or you can check out some big names in the accordion world: Sharon Shannon, Flaco Jimenez, Kimmo Pohjonen.
Alternatively, if you want something less hardcore accordion, you could try some Latin pop from Julieta Venegas:-

**Frownland** · 01-02-2018, 08:20 AM

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Re: Hendrix

Too easy. Kinda like saying John Wayne was the greatest cowboy actor. Hendrix definitely turned the world upside down, and what he was able to do with primitive equipment was astounding (he did have Roger Mayer and Eddie Kramer in his back pocket though).

Buddy Guy doesn't get enough credit for what Hendrix became. Take Buddy's playing along with his theatrics, and Little Richard, and Jerry Lee Lewis, morphed into the late 60s psychedelic era, and Hendrix was almost inevitable.

Not taking anything away from the guy. One of the greatest ever. But he just didn't arrive out of a puff of smoke.

I always thought it was pretty obvious how much he got from rockabilly with his frills and the way he uses the whole neck almost all the time. He took it several steps further though and it's very apparent which is why I took the easy choice.

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Originally Posted by MicShazam

I don't really get why Frown saying that he's influenced by an artist is so hard to accept. It's not exactly the same as saying you're as good as that artist. If you really admire the style of some artist and some of the stylings, techniques, expression and mannerisms of that artist somehow get fused and re-combined into your own creative output, then that's influence.

They're confusing influence with imitation and low C's with A's.

~~MicShazam~~ · 01-02-2018, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

^ Well, that's good news, MicShazam!
If you like, you can find accordion music here (http://www.musicbanter.com/avant-gar...r-s-guide.html) or here (http://www.musicbanter.com/country-f...-ha-douks.html) - or you can check out some big names in the accordion world: Sharon Shannon, Flaco Jimenez, Kimmo Pohjonen.
Alternatively, if you want something less hardcore accordion, you could try some Latin pop from Julieta Venegas:-

I'll check all of these out later. I've heard about none of them, so that's going to be interesting. A while back, I listened to a whole album by Chango Spasiuk. That's pretty much the only 100% accordion centric record that I've heard so far. In other words, I've got a lot left to explore.

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They're confusing influence with imitation and low C's with A's.

I'm confused at what there is to be confused about. Inspiration is like eating food. The thing that comes out on the other side doesn't directly resemble the things you ate. Not that I'm calling your music ****, but otherwise I think it's a perfect metaphor for creative assimilation.

Chula Vista · 01-02-2018, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Are you able to play melodic chops like Joe Pass?

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Nope, but I get close sometimes.

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Is that like Chula getting close to McLaughlin?

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Close like 7 is close to 10.

McShazam, here's where Frowny stepped into ****. Saying someone's an inspiration is fine. But he took it a bit further than that with his answers above.

**Frownland** · 01-02-2018, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

But he took it a bit further than that with his answers above.

And I stand by them. Like I said, don't confuse C's with A's or influence with imitation. Or maybe don't ignore the rest of the convo where I explained myself pretty well.

~~MicShazam~~ · 01-02-2018, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

McShazam, here's where Frowny stepped into ****. Saying someone's an inspiration is fine. But he took it a bit further than that with his answers above.

Saying you sometimes come close-ish (70%) isn't really saying much though? I mean, if I sit down and pretend I can play the piano, I sometimes, very briefly, sound halfway like I know what I'm doing.

It would be something else if Frown said that he's just in general 70% of the way to being the new Joe Pass.

Hitting small, isolated moments of something that sounds kind of sort of like it isn't quite the same thing.

**Frownland** · 01-02-2018, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

frowland has better chops than Joe

If we're talking the same Joe, then no no no no.

Chula Vista · 01-02-2018, 10:43 AM

The words speak for themselves. I don't really give a ****. He put it out there, got called on it, and quickly back peddled.

Using your piano analogy, I can get close to Picasso sometimes. I can get close to Tom Brady sometimes. I can get close to Cormac McCarthy sometimes. Etc.

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