Unpopular Music Opinions

**Frownland** · 01-01-2018, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Yeah, that's very true. These days we have so much access to the tools to create what we want that the only thing limiting artists is their own ability, creativity or will. Maybe knowledge too.

Total will on my part but I'm trying to make it better.

OccultHawk · 01-01-2018, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Do you think that influence is always so direct? I cite Joe Pass as a huge influence because listening to him made me more thoughtful in how my songs progress while still maintaining the looseness of improvisation.

Musicians say weird **** about their music but as a fan I think it shows a profound lack of understanding of your limitations. You can backtrack on what influence means but you double downed on the 70% Joe Pass thing.

Neapolitan · 01-01-2018, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

^ Yes, the Stones' enthusiasm for those old guys brought them to the attention of a whole new generation.
The acoustic guitar and accordian - sorry concertina- on Back Street Girl are both excellent. Not so sure about the lyrics, tbh

I misspoke, the song credits Nick de Caro on accordion. I probably saw a picture of Brian Jones with a concertina and assumed it was a concertina on that track.

I think the lyrics are brilliantly done. It's not the usual love song. It's aiming for more than songs about not being in love or falling out of love like "We Don't Talk Anymore" by Cliff Richards. At first you assume it's a usual love song, until the more you hear the lyrics, then you realize it's not. Jagger plays the anti-hero as he goes through all these restrictions places on his girlfriend. He comes off sounding mean and at times pompous and by the time the song is done you kinda feel sorry for her.

**Frownland** · 01-01-2018, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Musicians say weird **** about their music but as a fan I think it shows a profound lack of understanding of your limitations. You can backtrack on what influence means but you double downed on the 70% Joe Pass thing.

I also said that I don't record really close enough to his style to tell.

Neapolitan · 01-01-2018, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I also said that I don't record really close enough to his style to tell.

Who would you aspire to sound like or draw inspiration from: John Coltrane, Stan Getz or Ornette Coleman?

Maajo · 01-02-2018, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Yeah, no, I can agree with that, but there are definitely times where this lofi little effort approach just sounds completely ****ty to me. I think it needs to be tasteful or you really need to understand what you're going for because sometimes the lofi homemade feel gives it some sort of character or soul that would have been missing with out it, I just don't think it's always done right and often times it sounds ****ty and it's merely because the artist either puts little effort into it or doesn't know what they are doing which usually means they put little effort into it.

Like, ho99o9's Dead Bodies In The Lake Mixtape was lofi and I think it made it creepier, gave it a more raw feel.

Yeah, I think if it's not done out of necessesity then you have to have some vision for how the lo-fi sound is going to improve the record. There has to be some sincerity to it or else it's just a gimmick, and you can tell when someone's just trying to make music that sounds like it was recorded on an answering machine.

Lucem Ferre · 01-02-2018, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

you mean sometimes an approach to music sounds bad and sometimes it sounds good

I find the era of everyone being able to do quality recordings via their laptop more obnoxious because you have the same boring production tropes in everyone's music

like a seal of professionalism just glossed over

But, like, those usually aren't quality recordings. I can agree though. People will follow trends and you get 100s of different basement rappers trying to sound like Gucci Gang because it worked so well for Lil Pump. Though, I think their passion is in getting money rather than in music and you can usually tell.

Chula Vista · 01-02-2018, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

About that MP3 in my opinion you should just start tearing into the runs at the get go. You don’t need to make space for anyone when it’s just you and a drum track.

I get that. I do it mainly to help me settle into the groove. Definitely could have shortened it a bunch on this one.

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Originally Posted by Frownland

So it is too filtered to see the influence.

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Ritenour is fantastic. As are Dean Parks, Steve Lukather, etc.

Jeez Louise, we both forgot Larry Carlton!

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Hendrix is a pretty easy answer to a complicated question, so I can empathize with that reasoning. The other one from his generation I'm particularly fond of is Gábor Szabó.

Szabó was great. But Ravi came along, and for some reason all of the Brit bands jumped on his train and Szabó became a footnote.

Re: Hendrix

Too easy. Kinda like saying John Wayne was the greatest cowboy actor. Hendrix definitely turned the world upside down, and what he was able to do with primitive equipment was astounding (he did have Roger Mayer and Eddie Kramer in his back pocket though).

Buddy Guy doesn't get enough credit for what Hendrix became. Take Buddy's playing along with his theatrics, and Little Richard, and Jerry Lee Lewis, morphed into the late 60s psychedelic era, and Hendrix was almost inevitable.

Not taking anything away from the guy. One of the greatest ever. But he just didn't arrive out of a puff of smoke.

~~MicShazam~~ · 01-02-2018, 07:01 AM

I don't really get why Frown saying that he's influenced by an artist is so hard to accept. It's not exactly the same as saying you're as good as that artist. If you really admire the style of some artist and some of the stylings, techniques, expression and mannerisms of that artist somehow get fused and re-combined into your own creative output, then that's influence.

Lisnaholic · 01-02-2018, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Gigantic Debaser

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The accordion is a great and criminally underappreciated instrument.

True, and especially the bandoneón

^ Well, their use isn't explored or exploited by today's more popular genres, but they turn up regularly in our "World Music" section - especially in any thread that has "Gypsy" or "European" in it's title.

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

I think the lyrics are brilliantly done. It's not the usual love song. It's aiming for more than songs about not being in love or falling out of love like "We Don't Talk Anymore" by Cliff Richards. At first you assume it's a usual love song, until the more you hear the lyrics, then you realize it's not. Jagger plays the anti-hero as he goes through all these restrictions places on his girlfriend. He comes off sounding mean and at times pompous and by the time the song is done you kinda feel sorry for her.

^ That's a good description, and it's true, they are clever in the way they side-step your expectations completely; I thought the song would be a simple one about falling in love with a girl from a poor neighbourhood. Turns out it's a list of instructions to Jagger's mistress!

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Hawk, this jam highlights a bunch of my influences all thrown together.
http://donniebshawn.com/tune1.mp3

^ I think this is the first time I've heard you play, Chula

My only complaint is that the clip isn't long enough

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Originally Posted by Anteater

If I had to worship one guitarist....

^ When it comes to worship, there's a historical precedent for a three-in-one scam, so I'm going for:-

Duane Allman, John Fahey and Roy Buchanan

Not usually mentioned as the greatest innovative or technical players, but what can I do? their sound just gets to me in a special way every time I hear their music.

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~~MicShazam~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Aalborg Posts: 7,634	I don't really get why Frown saying that he's influenced by an artist is so hard to accept. It's not exactly the same as saying you're as good as that artist. If you really admire the style of some artist and some of the stylings, techniques, expression and mannerisms of that artist somehow get fused and re-combined into your own creative output, then that's influence.