Unpopular Music Opinions

**Frownland** · 01-01-2018, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

If I had to worship one guitarist

1. This dystopian nightmare sounds especially horrific.
2. Picking one is hard as ****. Picking one for each genre is hard as ****. Picking one for each subgenre is hard as ****. Boiling it all down I think Jimi would be one of the few answers I'd be comfortable giving because even though there are guitarists whose music I prefer, his style was so massively innovative and brilliant to this day that I can't deny it. It might just be this convo, but Joe Pass is a similar contender in that sense. Django too.

OccultHawk · 01-01-2018, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Close like 7 is close to 10.

It's put through a filter of many other styles so it can be hard to hear but tracks like Kerensa have soloing elements that demonstrate how Pass has influenced me.

Like you'd listen to it lol.

I like that track but Joe Pass??? No.

7 close to 10?

70%???

Dude. Nobody on earth is thinking Joe Pass when they hear that.

The tone, the structure, the ****ing skill, the melodic and harmonic sense.

Ffs don’t embarrass yourself. Your stuff is good but there’s **** you should keep to yourself. Just say you like Joe Pass. If your listener wants to make that connection (they won’t) then fine.

**Frownland** · 01-01-2018, 11:06 PM

So it is too filtered to see the influence. And yes, 70% in some soloing elements of that track. Respect my qualifiers.

Anteater · 01-01-2018, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Jay Graydon is great. You must like Ritenour too?

Ritenour is fantastic. As are Dean Parks, Steve Lukather, etc.

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Originally Posted by Frownland

1. This dystopian nightmare sounds especially horrific.
2. Picking one is hard as ****. Picking one for each genre is hard as ****. Picking one for each subgenre is hard as ****. Boiling it all down I think Jimi would be one of the few answers I'd be comfortable giving because even though there are guitarists whose music I prefer, his style was so massively innovative and brilliant to this day that I can't deny it. It might just be this convo, but Joe Pass is a similar contender in that sense. Django too.

Hendrix is a pretty easy answer to a complicated question, so I can empathize with that reasoning. The other one from his generation I'm particularly fond of is Gábor Szabó.

Lucem Ferre · 01-01-2018, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Maajo

There's some real good lo-fi ****. Like old Beck on Mellow Gold and Stereopathetic Soulmanure, but I'm pretty sure that was lo-fi out of necessity because the dude was poor and just making it in the business. There's a charm to it, like if you've ever seen the movie El Mariachi, and it's just so cheaply made but it's really actually just a great movie despite that.

Yeah, no, I can agree with that, but there are definitely times where this lofi little effort approach just sounds completely ****ty to me. I think it needs to be tasteful or you really need to understand what you're going for because sometimes the lofi homemade feel gives it some sort of character or soul that would have been missing with out it, I just don't think it's always done right and often times it sounds ****ty and it's merely because the artist either puts little effort into it or doesn't know what they are doing which usually means they put little effort into it.

Like, ho99o9's Dead Bodies In The Lake Mixtape was lofi and I think it made it creepier, gave it a more raw feel.

OccultHawk · 01-01-2018, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Even I don't have the gall to put myself and Joe Pass in the same sentence.

Hawk, this jam highlights a bunch of my influences all thrown together.

http://donniebshawn.com/tune1.mp3

I listened to that before. If you said John Fahey was a big influence that would make about as much sense as Frown saying Joe Pass. If you said I like John Fahey I’d be cool with that.

About that MP3 in my opinion you should just start tearing into the runs at the get go. You don’t need to make space for anyone when it’s just you and a drum track. Not a dis just my thought.

**Frownland** · 01-01-2018, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Yeah, no, I can agree with that, but there are definitely times where this lofi little effort approach just sounds completely ****ty to me. I think it needs to be tasteful or you really need to understand what you're going for because sometimes the lofi homemade feel gives it some sort of character or soul that would have been missing with out it, I just don't think it's always done right and often times it sounds ****ty and it's merely because the artist either puts little effort into it or doesn't know what they are doing which usually means they put little effort into it.

Like, ho99o9's Dead Bodies In The Lake Mixtape was lofi and I think it made it creepier, gave it a more raw feel.

I think that lofi in the modern day is more excusable to criticize for its production values than pre-2000s or 90s music. A lot of lofi music back then was often done out of an explosive urge to create, which is why it works so well for genres like punk.

OccultHawk · 01-01-2018, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

So it is too filtered to see the influence. And yes, 70% in some soloing elements of that track. Respect my qualifiers.

No.

**Frownland** · 01-01-2018, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I listened to that before. If you said John Fahey was a big influence that would make about as much sense as Frown saying Joe Pass. If you said I like John Fahey I’d be cool with that.

Do you think that influence is always so direct? I cite Joe Pass as a huge influence because listening to him made me more thoughtful in how my songs progress while still maintaining the looseness of improvisation.

Lucem Ferre · 01-01-2018, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I think that lofi in the modern day is more excusable to criticize for its production values than pre-2000s or 90s music. A lot of lofi music back then was often done out of an explosive urge to create, which is why it works so well for genres like punk.

Yeah, that's very true. These days we have so much access to the tools to create what we want that the only thing limiting artists is their own ability, creativity or will. Maybe knowledge too.

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