Unpopular Music Opinions

**Frownland** · 01-01-2018, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Maajo

I make an effort to give my best ear to any song and open my mind to any music, regardless of convention. Sometimes the conventions are right, sometimes they're wrong.

What do those words mean in music?

Conventions and breaking of conventions can both be amazing or atrocious depending on the context. I don't think it's appropriate to put that kind of limitation on ideas.

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I don't dislike the song because it's unconventional, and it's not that I even dislike the song, I just think it's boring.

That's fair. I find it pretty captivating though, it really tells a story like a lot of Abe's music does.

But back to what I was saying about harmonicas: defo can be cool as **** (Abe was actually my example of that

) but the instrument's design restricts its potential in a big way.

Lisnaholic · 01-01-2018, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Hopefully you're not new to Varese? He's must for anyone with an interest in classical music, especially the modern vein. He sits with the giants of modern classical composers like Cage, Schoenberg, and Stravinsky. The OG of electronic music and a common ancestor of the post-WWII philosophy of music.

^ To be honest, all I know about Varese is that you and Frank Zappa both admire him - he's someone I've never got round to exploring because I don't care much for classical music. Maybe I'll have a look, but not today if you don't mind. Perhaps tomorrow when I'm more ready for something challenging.

Maajo · 01-01-2018, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

What do those words mean in music?

Conventions and breaking of conventions can both be amazing or atrocious depending on the context. I don't think it's appropriate to put that kind of limitation on ideas.

I don't mean right or wrong in the religious, word of god sort of way. I mean sometimes music that's unconventional is great and sometimes it isn't. The West Coast Pop Art Experimental Band is an example of unconventional music that I think is really boring, whereas something like "Free Form Guitar" bt Chicago or Lou Reed's MMM are examples where it works. There's conventional music that works great (The Beatles) or not so great (Air Supply) too. I'm aware.

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That's fair. I find it pretty captivating though, it really tells a story like a lot of Abe's music does.

But back to what I was saying about harmonicas: defo can be cool as **** (Abe was my example of that

) but the instrument's design restricts its potential.

I like instrumentals that feel like they tell a story. My favorite example of that is Maggot Brain when George supposedly told Eddie to play as if he was told his mother had died and then later learned she was actually still alive. You can feel that emotion in the song.

I agree, every instrument has a design limitation, but that's good because then we have excuses to keep making new ones.

Neapolitan · 01-01-2018, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

I've never heard of Slim Harpo, so thamks for the recommendation, Neapolitan -that track is so cool, isn't it? The playing, the lyrics, the tone is wonderful!

And here's something else you can do with the harmonica too:-

Yeah.

The Stones were a fan of the Blues and early Rock n Roll, and I got to know a few artist through their cover-songs e.g. Bo Diddley, Buddy Holly, Robert Johnson, Rufus Thomas, Chuck Berry, and Willie Dixon et al.

**Frownland** · 01-01-2018, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Maajo

I like instrumentals that feel like they tell a story. My favorite example of that is Maggot Brain when George supposedly told Eddie to play as if he was told his mother had died and then later learned she was actually still alive. You can feel that emotion in the song.

Didn't know that backstory but I did always love the way that track evolved.

Joe Pass is a great example of that kind of instrumental narration. Dude was such a huge influence on the way I approach melodic structure.

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I agree, every instrument has a design limitation, but that's good because then we have excuses to keep making new ones.

Yes, thank harmonicas for inspiring the creation of several other instruments

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OccultHawk · 01-01-2018, 10:05 PM

Are you able to play melodic chops like Joe Pass?

**Frownland** · 01-01-2018, 10:06 PM

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Are you able to play melodic chops like Joe Pass?

Nope, but I get close sometimes.

Neapolitan · 01-01-2018, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Are you able to play melodic chops like Joe Pass?

Joe Pass is all over the place. I think if Frownie could play Jazz guitar he probably would sound like Joe Pass. I like Wes Montgomery and Johnny Smith better.

OccultHawk · 01-01-2018, 10:09 PM

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Nope, but I get close sometimes.

Is that like Chula getting close McLaughlin or really? If so put something up and prove it.

Frankly, I don’t believe you.

Chula Vista · 01-01-2018, 10:09 PM

Please post something you've done that shows even a hint of Joe Pass influence.

Ever hear the story as to why Pass got so good at improvising?

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