Unpopular Music Opinions

Trollheart · 06-01-2017, 06:05 AM

... and just like that, the thread becomes the Genesis Discussion Thread!

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Pfft, everyone knows the best Genesis album is the one without Collins or Gabriel.

This was a terrible swansong. A few good tracks but overall very poor, and while I don't blame Ray for the quality, it had the overall feel of a band who knew this was their last throw of the dice and that, to mix metaphors slightly, they had nothing left in their hand and must leave the table soon.

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

No where did I say that Tony was off his game on Duke. Music-wise Tony Banks retain a lot hooks and tricks from Genesis' past while incorporating newer stuff. If Genesis had a certain sound in the 70s with Peter Gabriel it was because they were incorporating different styles that were popular back then at the time. So while the album doesn't have that "70s" Prog sound, they still retains the spirit of Prog of melding different music styles together on the album. Tony Bank is a true music alchemist the way he can play the keyboard. I like a lot of his work on that album and that is why I said he was in top form. "Taking It All Too Hard " could easily fit on Duke, both the music and the lyrics. You could easily imagine that the song is being sung to the Duchess.

GENESIS - Taking It All Too Hard

I'd agree on the bolded. You didn't say Banks was off his game, no, but you did say he was really on his game on Genesis, and I was just pointing out that imo he was never more on his game in that decade than on Duke. Perhaps I misunderstood you or took you up wrong. Fact remains, I consider Duke their best album of the eighties, though as far as post-Gabriel goes, 1976 was an incredible year and both those albums are superb, though I think Wind and Wuthering just edges it for me. I agree Banks is a keyboard wizard, one of my favourites and he's influenced so many others in the prog area.

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Duke is my favorite post Hackett Genesis album. Collins, having just gotten divorced, is all over the lyrics on that album.

I am the one who guided you this far,
All you know and all you feel.
Nobody must know my feel
For nobody would understand,
And you kill what you fear.

I call you for I must leave,
You're on your own until the end.
There was a choice but now it's gone,
I said you wouldn't understand,
Take what's yours and be damned.

Great song, and I love how it's reprised at the end in a totally different way.

Trollheart · 06-01-2017, 07:57 AM

In order, best to worst:

Wind and Wuthering
A Trick of the Tail
Trespass
Nursery Cryme
Duke
Foxtrot
And Then There Were Three
Selling England by the Pound
The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
Genesis
We Can't Dance
Invisible Touch
Calling All Stations
Abacab
From Genesis to Revelation

OccultHawk · 06-01-2017, 08:53 AM

It wasn't like a landmark debut or anything but Genesis to Revelation isn't their worst record. Also Abacab is better than We Can't Dance and Invisible Touch. Lamb is my favorite and Calling All Stations is easily the worst (and that's saying something).

Trollheart · 06-01-2017, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

It wasn't like a landmark debut or anything but Genesis to Revelation isn't their worst record. Also Abacab is better than We Can't Dance and Invisible Touch. Lamb is my favorite and Calling All Stations is easily the worst (and that's saying something).

In order:
The debut was really totally different to the style they ended up embracing and becoming famous for; more a folk record than a prog one. It's very whimsical. No it's not terrible but if they had continued the way King had wanted them to it's doubtful they would ever have made a mark on the world. I really consider Trespass their proper debut. It's more what they're about.

Abacab still rates really low on my scale. I know Nea likes it, but I was so disappointed with it, especially after Duke. It's just so poppy and there are few if any proggy tracks - maybe "Dodo/Lurker", and that's about it really. Invisible Touch is a step too far in poppiness, though "Domino" does a little to save it from being absolutely mediocre. I quite like We Can't Dance; some great stuff on it.

I love The Lamb too; there are just Genesis albums better than it, or that I at least rate higher. It can be a little of a slog though, especially for non-fans, and it's hard to really figure out what it's all about. Kind of Gabriel's The Wall I guess in ways. They more or less just left him to it.

Calling All Stations was a big disappointment, but then it was expected to be. Really, they should have left it at We Can't Dance: the final words of "Fading lights", the closing song - "Remember...." Would have been perfect.

As you can see, I'm also one of those rare few who don't consider Selling England to be the greatest ever Genesis album, not by a long shot. For the purposes of this thread, that is then a very unpopular music opinion.

The Batlord · 06-01-2017, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

... and just like that, the thread becomes the Genesis Discussion Thread!

These are indeed opinions about unpopular music.

The Identity Matrix · 06-01-2017, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

In order, best to worst:

Wind and Wuthering
A Trick of the Tail
Trespass
Nursery Cryme
Duke
Foxtrot
And Then There Were Three
Selling England by the Pound
The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
Genesis
We Can't Dance
Invisible Touch
Calling All Stations
Abacab
From Genesis to Revelation

Now wait a minute. Abacab is superior to Calling All Stations.

Trollheart · 06-01-2017, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by The Identity Matrix

Now wait a minute. Abacab is superior to Calling All Stations.

Not to me. That's my list.

Trollheart · 06-01-2017, 12:05 PM

All right, let's do this.

Abacab

Abacab 6/10
No reply at all 3/10
Me and Sarah Jane 7/10
Keep it dark 3/10
Dodo/Lurker 8/10
Whodunnit 1/10
Man on the corner 4/10
Like it or not 8/10
Another record 2/10

Calling All Stations

Calling All Stations 8/10
Congo 2/10
Shipwrecked 8/10
Alien afternoon 6/10
Not about us 8/10
If that's what you need 6/10
The dividing line 5/10
Uncertain weather 6/10
Small talk 3/10
There must be some other way 6/10
One man's fool 4/10

Over to you...

**Goofle** · 07-04-2017, 06:50 PM

Not sure how unpopular this may be, but I wish EL-P and Aesop Rock never stopped working together and would have become a duo at some point. Fuck Run the Jewels and any good they brought to music, I wanna see those guys on the same tracks.

Zhanteimi · 07-04-2017, 06:51 PM

I also would like to see a whites-only rap duo.

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Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,994	In order, best to worst: Wind and Wuthering A Trick of the Tail Trespass Nursery Cryme Duke Foxtrot And Then There Were Three Selling England by the Pound The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway Genesis We Can't Dance Invisible Touch Calling All Stations Abacab From Genesis to Revelation __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

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Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,994	All right, let's do this. Abacab Abacab 6/10 No reply at all 3/10 Me and Sarah Jane 7/10 Keep it dark 3/10 Dodo/Lurker 8/10 Whodunnit 1/10 Man on the corner 4/10 Like it or not 8/10 Another record 2/10 Calling All Stations Calling All Stations 8/10 Congo 2/10 Shipwrecked 8/10 Alien afternoon 6/10 Not about us 8/10 If that's what you need 6/10 The dividing line 5/10 Uncertain weather 6/10 Small talk 3/10 There must be some other way 6/10 One man's fool 4/10 Over to you... __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

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Zhanteimi Mord Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Tokyo Posts: 4,873	I also would like to see a whites-only rap duo. __________________ Zhanteimi LetsTalkMusic

06-01-2017, 08:53 AM	#13823 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	It wasn't like a landmark debut or anything but Genesis to Revelation isn't their worst record. Also Abacab is better than We Can't Dance and Invisible Touch. Lamb is my favorite and Calling All Stations is easily the worst (and that's saying something).