Unpopular Music Opinions

Lucem Ferre · 03-11-2017, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

No, you rap over metal and it's nu metal. Or rap metal. Or whatever. Limp Bizkit and Rage Against the Machine, even if you want to say that they are somehow rap, are not magically not rock. Rap is a vocal style. And even if I bought into your idea, the rap vocals would be piggybacking on another genre's diversity, not creating it.

And if you want to talk about hip hop instrumentals, then you're really just saying that electronic music in general is the most diverse, since it can use any of the same instruments as any other genre, but has the limitless potential of synthesizers and computers. Even hip hop instrumentals evolved from electronic music.

No, because I don't think too many people would call Slipknot rap. They have vocals that are kind of rappy, but not really. All those groups have had rap elements to their genre but at the end of the day they were still rock. Because that was not the focus of their music. Not every Limp Bizkit song is rapped. And even then Limp Bizkit has been considered rap music before. Even then, it's hard to even consider Limp Bizkit music.

For hip hop instrumentals, not all of them have to be sample based or digitally created. There is hip hop that uses live instruments. Like Kendrick Lamar live performances use a jazz band. Now, people aren't calling Kenny jazz music, he's considered hip hop. Twiztid has toured with a rock band playing their music live before and still been considered hip hop. Die Antwoord does **** with a live electronic DJ and they are still considered hip hop. Not only can hip hop directly borrow or take from any genre but there definitely are a diverse style of instrumentals that you listen to and think, "man, that's rap". Like Trap music. When you hear a trap beat you think, man, that **** is Trap. You never confuse trap beats for electronic music or anything else.

OccultHawk · 03-11-2017, 06:53 PM

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Wrong. If anything hip hop instrumentals evolved from it would be dj-ing.

Turntables are definitely in the family of instruments that brought us avant garde electronic music of couple decades earlier.

Lucem Ferre · 03-11-2017, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Turntables are definitely in the family of instruments that brought us avant garde electronic music of couple decades earlier.

First thing I think of when you say that is Herbie Handcock. But I don't know if he falls under avant-garde or was playing with turn tables back then.

OccultHawk · 03-11-2017, 07:02 PM

Some of his stuff is definitely avant garde.

OccultHawk · 03-11-2017, 07:05 PM

Just running it through Google

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/02/0...ck-rockit.html

Chula Vista · 03-11-2017, 09:54 PM

WTF are you all on about?

FF to 1:53

The Batlord · 03-11-2017, 10:00 PM

Is Chula about to claim Blondie invented hip hop?

OccultHawk · 03-11-2017, 10:01 PM

That's the most predictable response possible. No **** if I saw the content but not the user name I would know it was you. How you could possibly think that's a worthwhile insight is beyond me. Not dissing the song. It's brilliant. What's sad is you obviously don't have the slightest clue why.

OccultHawk · 03-11-2017, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Is Chula about to claim Blondie invented hip hop?

It's incredible that someone who is apparently so interested in music and at his age still can't swim in the deep end.

Chula Vista · 03-11-2017, 10:22 PM

Sigh.

First mainstream rap song to get on the radio. Obviously inspired by this, which came out about a year earlier (1979).

03-11-2017, 09:54 PM	#13636 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	WTF are you all on about? FF to 1:53 __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

03-11-2017, 10:22 PM	#13640 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	Sigh. First mainstream rap song to get on the radio. Obviously inspired by this, which came out about a year earlier (1979). __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

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OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	Some of his stuff is definitely avant garde.

03-11-2017, 07:05 PM	#13635 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	Just running it through Google https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/02/0...ck-rockit.html

03-11-2017, 10:01 PM	#13638 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	That's the most predictable response possible. No **** if I saw the content but not the user name I would know it was you. How you could possibly think that's a worthwhile insight is beyond me. Not dissing the song. It's brilliant. What's sad is you obviously don't have the slightest clue why.