OccultHawk

You can cuss at me all you want but you're on a sinking ship because anyone who knows anything about music will agree with me.

Chula Vista

lol.

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Trollheart

I'm sure it's great, but it's only a classic to Dixie Dreg fans, and those who know of them. I could say "Forgotten sons" is an undisputed classic, and any Marillion fan would agree with me, but anyone else would tell me to get bent. It's only an undisputed classic, I think I'm safe in saying, if everyone thinks so. You don't like the Doors? Fine, but you agree "Riders" and "Light my fire" are undisputed classics. Not a fan of George Michael? But you'd agree "Careless whisper" is an undisputed classic. Never listened to The Adventures but think "Drowning in the sea of love" is an undisputed classic? Ah, no. That's where it breaks down and falls apart.

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Key

How is anything music related undisputed when all music is listened to under the basis of opinion?

Trollheart

I think there are certain songs that will be accepted by just about everyone as undisputed classics. "Dock of the bay". "Smoke on the water". "Riders" etc. There are songs that transcend both taste and genres. I know of plenty of songs I love, or would at least admit are classics, that are in genres I am not interested in. "Fly me to the moon". Wouldn't listen to Sinatra usually but I can accept that is a classic.

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Chula Vista

I get where you are coming from Troll. And ya, I was speaking as a die hard Dregs fan.

Anyhoo, welcome back brother.

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Key

That's a fair assessment. Though that doesn't necessarily mean it can't be argued. Chula is making the point that the song is an undisputed classic when it only applies to those that agree with him. Doesn't really make sense to argue with anyone that disagrees with his claim. He's just digging himself into a hole for no reason.

Chula Vista

No. Chula is making the point that Night Meets Light is an undisputed classic among fans of The Dixie Dregs.

To take Trolls point a step further, Sitting on the Dock of the Bay is a classic to me and him partially because of our age. My 27 year old son wouldn't think the same way about that song. Lots of people hate Stairway to Heaven and would call it overrated and overplayed and not a classic. A lot of folks would consider Anarchy in the UK a classic. I wouldn't.

Take 10 members here and ask them to list 10 undisputed classics and I'll wager you'd get quite a bit of disagreement.

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and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

Trollheart

Thanks man.
Nothing, as you point out, in music, is indisputable in that regard. The only things actually indisputable are solid facts, such as who played what (not that they did or didn't play well, that's subjective as you say) and who made what album etc. It's kind of like an unspoken thing: ask a hundred people if they think, for instance, "Bohemian rhapsody" is a classic and you'll probably find at least ninety people do. Ask the same people about "Paranoid" and the number will be lower. Nothing can be undisputed in that regard. The best thing you can say, if you want to be literal and accurate, is that insofar as anything can be undisputed in music, this is. Or something.

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Key

So...then why use it as a way to back up your claim about Frownland only listening to experimental music? The argument doesn't make any sense, unless I'm missing something.

That's a fair point.