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08-31-2016, 12:31 PM | #12721 (permalink) |
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First, it's not that progressive rock has some sort of defining song structures. The characteristic is rather than it departs from traditional pop song structures. There are defining structures in traditional pop songs. But there aren't set ways that progressive departs from that. All that's required are intentional departures.
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08-31-2016, 12:32 PM | #12722 (permalink) | |
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08-31-2016, 12:33 PM | #12723 (permalink) | |
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So things are correct or incorrect because of intuition and with respect to normal ways of thinking about things? That's what common sense amounts to.
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08-31-2016, 12:34 PM | #12724 (permalink) | |
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There are two problems with that:
(1) There's no clear way to define complexity. (2) No matter how you attempt to define complexity, there's a bunch of music conventionally considered progressive rock that's not complex per the definition chosen. Quote:
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08-31-2016, 12:42 PM | #12725 (permalink) | |
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Black Sabbath. The band that is most often credited with creating the entire genre. So, let's listen to one of their songs. Point out the prog. |
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08-31-2016, 12:53 PM | #12727 (permalink) | |
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08-31-2016, 12:53 PM | #12728 (permalink) | |
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Okay, so those influences: * The song departs from conventional verse/chorus/verse/chorus/bridge/chorus-type structures. * It's comprised of a number of different sections, almost like a suite of mini-songs, with tempo changes, meter changes, etc. * The arrangement is very unusual--for example, the way everything but the vocal and hi-hat drop out for the verses. * It departs from traditional pop song structures harmonically in some very unusual ways. For example, the major second (the (flat) 7th to the root, with the 7th on the downbeat) in the verses, which leads simply to a chromatic walkdown starting at the minor third, with emphasis on the minor second, which functions as a suspension. I could give you more, but those are just a few quick things. |
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08-31-2016, 12:58 PM | #12729 (permalink) | |
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Track Three It does away with all conventionalities and writes the music in its own way. This song should be considered prog then. Frown, I can appreciate your stuff now that I know your prog! |
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08-31-2016, 01:01 PM | #12730 (permalink) |
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I would say that no metal is prog. Rather, it has prog influences. That all metal has prog influences makes the idea of "prog metal" murky. But basically, prog metal is metal with stronger prog influences, or we could just say "metal accepted as having prog influences by the prog community."
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