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Terrapin_Station · 08-31-2016, 08:04 AM

Not so much Nirvana, but Alice in Chains, Soundgarden and Stone Temple Pilots are all heavily influenced by 70s metal, to a point where it would do just as well to call them metal. Grunge in general was heavily metal-influenced, but it was also hard rock influenced, and Nirvana and a couple others, like Mudhoney, had significant punk influences as well.

Of course, youngsters (which would even include 30-somethings from my perspective) have a hard time grasping how Led Zeppelin were considered metal in the 70s, so that might be part of the issue. The gradual evolution of metal probably makes more sense if you lived through it, starting with late 60s ("proto") stuff like Hendrix, Vanilla Fudge, Blue Cheer, Iron Butterfly, etc. through 70s stuff like Black Sabbath, Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Uriah Heep, Judas Priest, etc. the NWOBHM bands, then thrash, etc.

"Heavy metal" was in wide usage among music fans by the early 70s--Ron Bushy from Iron Butterfly even claims that the term was an inspiration for their name (and if I remember correctly, he might have claimed at least once that they invented the term), so some of us lived with a variety of music called "heavy metal" for almost 10 years before the first albums appeared by artists like Saxon and Iron Maiden. A popular debate in the 70s was whether artists like Ted Nugent, Alice Cooper, etc. should be classified as heavy metal or hard rock.

Ninetales · 08-31-2016, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Terrapin_Station

Genre classifications aren't correct or incorrect.

Well that renders them essentially meaningless then eh

Terrapin_Station · 08-31-2016, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Ninetales

Well that renders them essentially meaningless then eh

If meaning hinges on correctness to you, you're going to have a difficult time understanding a large percentage of phenomena you encounter in the world.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard · 08-31-2016, 08:31 AM

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JGuy Grungeman · 08-31-2016, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Ki

I don't disagree with this statement.

Although I do disagree, I can completely understand.

Ninetales · 08-31-2016, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Terrapin_Station

If meaning hinges on correctness to you, you're going to have a difficult time understanding a large percentage of phenomena you encounter in the world.

Even if it's not black/white, saying Boston is death metal is incorrect.

Key · 08-31-2016, 10:09 AM

This QOTSA argument is sort of silly if you don't take into consideration that some people have a different ear for different genres. One person can consider something metal when another person considers it hard rock. I know there are definitive characteristics when it comes to genres, but it can still be up for interpretation in regards to what we've been told to understand about genres.

**Exo** · 08-31-2016, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Ki

This QOTSA argument is sort of silly if you don't take into consideration that some people have a different ear for different genres. One person can consider something metal when another person considers it hard rock. I know there are definitive characteristics when it comes to genres, but it can still be up for interpretation in regards to what we've been told to understand about genres.

I agree and I usually keep my mouth shut when talking about genres because I routinely get them wrong but this one just hit a chord with me. I just would never use the term metal to describe QOSTA. It's nit-picky but it just doesn't seem right. That and blanks song examples just don't make sense.

Key · 08-31-2016, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Exo

I agree and I usually keep my mouth shut when talking about genres because I routinely get them wrong but this one just hit a chord with me. I just would never use the term metal to describe QOSTA. It's nit-picky but it just doesn't seem right. That and blanks song examples just don't make sense.

Well you also have to keep in mind that while I do agree with him, he's also only describing a few albums, not the band entirely. The way I see it is with the description he's giving, he describes QOTSA as Rock/Metal or whatever variant you want whether it's stoner rock or w/e. Either way, I don't think he's trying to describe the band as metal as a whole, which I think is where some of the confusion is coming from.

JGuy Grungeman · 08-31-2016, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Exo

I agree and I usually keep my mouth shut when talking about genres because I routinely get them wrong but this one just hit a chord with me. I just would never use the term metal to describe QOSTA. It's nit-picky but it just doesn't seem right. That and blanks song examples just don't make sense.

The line between rock and metal is so fine, but it varies from person to person.

08-31-2016, 08:04 AM	#12701 (permalink)
Terrapin_Station Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: NYC Man Posts: 877	Not so much Nirvana, but Alice in Chains, Soundgarden and Stone Temple Pilots are all heavily influenced by 70s metal, to a point where it would do just as well to call them metal. Grunge in general was heavily metal-influenced, but it was also hard rock influenced, and Nirvana and a couple others, like Mudhoney, had significant punk influences as well. Of course, youngsters (which would even include 30-somethings from my perspective) have a hard time grasping how Led Zeppelin were considered metal in the 70s, so that might be part of the issue. The gradual evolution of metal probably makes more sense if you lived through it, starting with late 60s ("proto") stuff like Hendrix, Vanilla Fudge, Blue Cheer, Iron Butterfly, etc. through 70s stuff like Black Sabbath, Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Uriah Heep, Judas Priest, etc. the NWOBHM bands, then thrash, etc. "Heavy metal" was in wide usage among music fans by the early 70s--Ron Bushy from Iron Butterfly even claims that the term was an inspiration for their name (and if I remember correctly, he might have claimed at least once that they invented the term), so some of us lived with a variety of music called "heavy metal" for almost 10 years before the first albums appeared by artists like Saxon and Iron Maiden. A popular debate in the 70s was whether artists like Ted Nugent, Alice Cooper, etc. should be classified as heavy metal or hard rock.

08-31-2016, 10:09 AM	#12707 (permalink)
Key . Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 13,153	This QOTSA argument is sort of silly if you don't take into consideration that some people have a different ear for different genres. One person can consider something metal when another person considers it hard rock. I know there are definitive characteristics when it comes to genres, but it can still be up for interpretation in regards to what we've been told to understand about genres.