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I don't hate the Stones, I actually do like them and whenever someone calls them talentless (which is not rare on the forums I visit where people care a lot more about technical skill) I will jump to their defense.

That being said, I still think The Rolling Stones are MAD overrated, and the most overrated musicians of the 20th century along with Bob Dylan.

I do like Johnny Marr, all my disdain toward The Smiths is aimed directly at Morrissey.

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It's pretty much subjective re: no bite; some people think the New York Dolls have no punch; others think that they rock harder than most of the punk bands they inspired. Same with the Clash; for me, there's no real dynamics in the Clash's music. The Pistols (with Matlock) surprised you; they didn't take everything as fast as they could, and though Johnny screamed a lot, at least he had some unique phrasing and genuine anger/passion in his voice. Strummer's just growling.

Why are they phonies? Well, I guess you could level that charge against any band, but Complete Control (arguably the best Clash song) is as hypocritical as it gets. It's a song that bitches about the band's record company...and was released by that same company! Apart from that, again, it's really subjective; I don't think they really give a toss about their music or what they're saying. They only cared about politics to the end that it got them audiences. They were bandwagon jumpers. Say what you want about the Pistols; at least they brought a new edge to punk and, afterwards, PIL was genuinely daring (if not wholly original).

WaspStar

Nah, Elvis and the Beatles are the most overrated. Clapton deserves third place. It's impossible to overrate Dylan, short of saying that everything he recorded was perfect.

Stones are definitely overrated/overhyped though.

Piss Me Off

Fair points. Out of all the early 70's punk bands i think they had quite a lot of bite along with the Pistols. Raw Power by the Stooges is incredible too.
You're right about Complete Control, good song but hypocritical. The clash of personalities between Strummer and Mick Jones was a bit of a problem with me, in that Jones wanted to play stadiums while Strummer just wanted to expand and play more reggae-influenced stuff. They should have kept playing passionate smaller gigs.

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That's a good point; the Strummer/Jones conflicts didn't really work out very well. In some bands, the tension is productive (Johnny Rotten's anarchy vs. Glen Matlock's traditional leanings; Lou Reed's commercial interests vs. John Cale's avant-garde preferences), but the problems in the Clash were counter-productive.

Piss Me Off

I wouldn't say completely. Many of their best songs were written because they were trying to out-do each other. It just got a bit too much in the end.

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Nope, The Beatles deserve all their praise. Elvis does too. I would say Clapton is a bit overrated, not by much though. He is an incredibly gifted and important guitarist and Cream were awesome.

My problem with The Stones in comparison is that they are about as talented as any local band you could find within a 10 mile radius. But their praise mostly comes from writing fun and catchy music. Which personally I prefer a lot of other bands in that field anyway. Including the aforementioned Guns n Roses and AC/DC. I respect them more for their influence than their actual music.

Wow, you proved me wrong there. No wait, you proved my point perfectly. Its statements like that that I hear all the time and I don't ****ing care. I've been called an idiot simply because I don't like his music. And of course everybody should appreciate boring old folk songs as sung by a nose.

Take away Bob Dylans lyrics and what do you have? Music thats hardly distinguisable from anything Woodie Guthrie or Pete Seeger did before him. "But Boo Boo what about when he went electric?". He jumped on a trend started by bands like The Beatles and people made a big deal out of it. I personally don't care.

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Are you joking? Dylan made Rock a legitimate form of expression rather than just entertainment. He's a very good melodicist as well.

boo boo

The British invasion bands were doing the same thing around the same time, granted their music was also entertaining. Bob Dylan being the genius that he is cut out the middlemen and left out the entertaining part.

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Lolwut. He's plenty fun, his lyrics are very humorous and entertaining and his music is consistently catchy. Aren't you a Pink Floyd fan?