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Old 05-13-2016, 02:57 AM   #11171 (permalink)
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Plenty of great musicians don't need to play fast to be considered talented.
I never debated that. You were the one that made the blanket statement that fast doesn't equal talent.

I never said playing slow means no talent.

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Old 05-13-2016, 03:01 AM   #11172 (permalink)
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Tons of guys can play really fast ****ty. Kinda like the guy that floors his gas pedal and ends up hitting something. But there's a ****load of talent that goes into being able to play really fast and still make a musical statement.

Steve Morse
Allan Holdsworth
John McLaughlin
Guthrie Govan
Ron Thal
Shawn Lane
Paul Gilbert
Paco DeLucia
Albert Lee
Angel Romero

And hundreds more. It's late and I know you guys are just trying to yank my chain, but I've spent thousands of hours practicing on how to play really fast while staying musical. Good night boys.

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Old 05-13-2016, 03:02 AM   #11173 (permalink)
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Go to bed.
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Old 05-13-2016, 03:06 AM   #11174 (permalink)
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Not until you show your respect for Evan Parker. Incredibly talented and he gets my rocks off. You might think he sucks but you're wrong because people like him.

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Old 05-13-2016, 03:13 AM   #11175 (permalink)
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Not until you show your respect for Evan Parker. Incredibly talented and he gets my rocks off. You might think he sucks but you're wrong because people like him.

Sounds like me when I'm randomly wanking with no backing whatsoever. Actually reminds me of Shawn Lane. Dig it. But what the hell does it have to do with the last dozen or so posts?

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Old 05-13-2016, 07:07 AM   #11176 (permalink)
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No offence to Chula but this won't sound friendly

Frown, Chula likes some good stuff but will never be able to discriminate between good music and bad.

Evan Parker is so far above his taste it's stupid to even bring it up.
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Old 05-13-2016, 09:26 AM   #11177 (permalink)
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I never debated that. You were the one that made the blanket statement that fast doesn't equal talent.

I never said playing slow means no talent.

I ****ing love Robert Cray.
I only argued your point, which was wrong by the way. It's not a blanket statement.
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Old 05-13-2016, 09:51 AM   #11178 (permalink)
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Sounds like me when I'm randomly wanking with no backing whatsoever. Actually reminds me of Shawn Lane. Dig it. But what the hell does it have to do with the last dozen or so posts?
I just wanted to show you that artists you don't have a crush on play fast too and you don't necessarily have to respect them for that even though I do. If your music sucks it doesn't matter how fast you play. See: Dragonforce. They're super fast at playing really lame bull****, so I don't respect them as musicians and rightly so.

It's really something that the fans do. I say one of someone's pin up guitar player's bands sucks and they sputter back "but they're so fast and good at their instruments! You've got to respect that." It's a petty way to make them feel good about winning the argument. Nope, the guys from Dragonforce still suck at guitar because you have to make your music interesting to be a good musician in my eyes. And no, the existence of good guitar players doesn't make Dragonforce's guitarists good.

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^I was going to use Dragonforce as an example as well but it seemed obvious. I can respect a musician a lot more if he can play classically and technically, finger tapping etc. Playing fast used to be something I thought was talent until I realized that all it is is just being able to move your hands quicker to play 3 of the same notes. I won't dispute the fact that some musicians who play fast are talented, but if it's all they can do, they fall way further down on my list.

John Petrucci can play fast and can play some of the most amazing technical riffs I've ever heard, and for that, I respect him immensely.
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Exactly. Hiding behind the fact that you're fast when the music induces vomiting is the sign of a ****e musician.

*Frownland does not endorse John Petruccci*
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