Wild7Dustr

First of all I'd like to say that I like both Tool and Opeth as well as own nearly all of each band's albums.Whether you prefer Opeth or Tool is one thing, but it's obviously not fair (or better said, appropriate) to put Lateralus up against the great Blackwater Park, which obviously should've won this, yet didn't.If I were to put in one of Tool's better albums though, it wouldn't of been Lateralus...lol.Seriously, is this all a joke?Undertow really is the true definition of Tool in their prime, period.The same could nearly be said for Aenima as well all though I think Aenima just falls short when comparing the albums as a whole...to listen to all the way thru, ya know?Then again the thread starts off representing Lateralus as the great Tool album and honestly, if Opiate was longer I'd probally pick that over Lateralus as the better album, ya see?

Putting it the right way would be:

Undertow or Aenima against Blackwater Park.

If it would've been Undertow or Aenima against Blackwater Park, the choice would be difficult.Seeing that you put up Lateralus though, Blackwater Park would clearly win/dominate.By the way, if any of you don't already own Blackwater Park or any other Opeth albums, I'd highly recommend it.Opeth obviously does much more with 7-15 minute songs than Tool ever has.No offense to Tool (I love the band), just simply my appreciation for the incredible metal band Opeth, cheers!!!

Wild7Dustr

Obviously Hendrix wins here!!! PF is a joke.I can understand why some people could be fans of them and all, but when it comes to talent and making good music to listen to...lol...well, PF shouldn't even be on this list.

I believe the vote is now 4-4 though, peace.

Merkaba

^^Third Eye would beg to differ with that.

Also, fan or not of the band, Lateralus is on the brink of conceptional genius. The fact that Tool was more raw and primative back in the early 90's does not mean they are not just as good on Lateralus. They are just as good, if not better, under a different light.

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Wild7Dustr

I don't care if other people differ!!!Hell, I already said that PF has their fans and "other people" even on this thread might disagree with me.Everyone has their opinion and I said mine, as in PF ain't that great.Lateralus is a great album too and that's why I bought it.Honestly, no matter who says what, Undertow is the better album as a whole.I'd be able to listen to Undertow all the way thru without thinking "oh, lets skip this track" or "damn, didn't I already hear a similar track to this on the album?", while Lateralus is simply good, but not great (even for the band).I also do believe the possibility of them being better musicians today than they were earlier in their careers.Hell, every musician learns a few new tricks or ways of taking their playing to an even further level after a couple of years and I would obviously know because I myself am a musician that has been playin' and jammin' for many years.I have the experience to play the advanced stuff, whether on drums or guitar, although I'm mainly a drummer nowadays.I'm therefore influenced by Danny Carey because he is a great and unique drummer.Other than the amazing talent of Danny Carey, the long, structured songs that Tool creates and the basic fact that they are a great hard-rock band, Tool is still nowhere in the league of being as advanced of musicians as Opeth are.Opeth takes long songs to another level while making them not only listenable, but also seem more like 3 minute songs than 12 minute epics as they are.Seriously, the way Opeth is able to take their talent and construct a much more melodic, yet more heavier of a song than other metal bands, including Tool, is simply amazing.Time really does fly by when you listen to Opeth because, as I already mentioned, their wonderful 12 minute epics only feel like 3 minutes simply because you just can't get enough.To close this out though, I would still like to say that no matter what Lateralus was simply a poor choice to bring up against Blackwater Park or any album for that matter.If you think that Lateralus was a good choice to put up against Blackwater Park because you think it's a more progressive version of Tool, then you've got somethin' to learn, fella.If you were a musician, as I already said I was, then you might be able to learn to understand.Musicians are supposed to (or should be encouraged/inspired to) know just about every aspect of music.I've come to believe that you simply don't know what a heavy, progressive album is if you were gonna put Tool's Lateralus up as it...lol.No offense, but get real!!!

Merkaba

I think you'll find the only thing begging to differ was a 13 minute song called Third Eye. How the hell you pulled "people" out of thin air is beyond me.

Also, Pink Floyd, what the hell? Where the hell did that come from?

Also, are you saying Tool's songs don't fly by in 3 minutes like Opeth's do? Because that is purely opinion and I would be the first to disagree.

Also, Lateralus is a fine album overall, and no one ever said this was a competition of the better progressive outfit. We're talking overall here sunshine, and again, I would disagree, and say that Tool should win.

Also, there is not one point on Lateralus where you say I think I've heard this song before. You're doing something wrong if there is.

Also, do us a favour and use a fucking paragraph.

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Stone Magnet

It was fair to put Lateralus up against Blackwater Park. Lateralus is Tool's most highly regarded album, just as Blackwater Park is often Opeth's most highly regarded album. Undertow expanded on Opiate, Ænima expanded on Undertow, and Lateralus expanded on Ænima. Tool's music becomes more and more complex and abstract with every release. It really doesn't matter which album you would choose over Lateralus, because what you think isn't going to change anything. Lateralus is still often referred to as Tool's best album, and it still beat Blackwater Park. What exactly are you trying to prove?

When it comes to intricateness and divergency, Tool absolutely eradicate Opeth. Lateralus is one of Tool's most progressive albums. In fact, Lateralus alone is more progressive than anything Opeth have ever recorded. It's certainly more progressive than Undertow as well. If you don't think that Lateralus is a heavy, progressive album, then it's quite obvious that you are the one that needs to 'get real'.

Now quit trying to shove your uneducated opinion down everyone's throat and get back on topic.

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magneto

Stone Magnet, you created this match, why don't you vote? The score is Hendrix- Pink Floyd 4-4 and the album which will get the next vote, will win.

And about Lateralus being better than Blackwater Park, I really disagree. But this is just my personal opinion. I was always more into dark, doom music and maybe that's why I like Opeth more. But I think that even if we compare the melodic, acoustic partsw of these two albums, Opeth still win. I mean just listen to the intro of Dirge for November" or Patterns in the Ivy or the melodic part of the Blackwater park track.
Are there acoustic parts of such quality and beauty in Lateralus? I think not.

Stone Magnet

Nowhere in my post did I say that Lateralus is a better album than Blackwater Park. I merely stated that in this competition, Lateralus won. It seems plausible that you haven't even given Lateralus a real listen, because if you did, you would know that there are no acoustic parts on the album, omitting a few reticent acoustic harmonics in "Disposition".

Do Opeth integrate tribal drum beats and unorthodox types of percussion into their music? Where's the tabla in Blackwater Park? Where are the philosophical, spiritual lyrics and abstruse references to alchemy, astrology, mathematics, and religion? Spirals are mentioned several times in the "Lateralus" lyrics, and in the song, "Lateralus", the verses, by syllable, are concurrent with the Fibonacci Sequence. The time signature is spiral-like (9/8, 8/8, 7/8) as well. Do you ever hear anything this transcendent and complex from Opeth? No. Are Opeth this coincidingly intellectual and emotional? No. Are Opeth a bad band because of this? Not at all. They're just a different band that serves a different purpose, and depending on your personal rendition of 'beauty', either one of these albums could be more beautiful than the other.

As for Pink Floyd Vs. Hendrix, I would have to go with Dark Side Of The Moon.

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magneto

First of all I did not attack you for prefering Lateralus.... It is your right to prefer any album you want and I respect this right absolutely.

I think that there are more acoustic parts than those you mention. Isn't there an acoustic part in the middle of ""Ticks and Leeches""? Aren't there acoustic parts in the track Lateralus? What about Parabol, the acoustic intro of Parabola?

Anyway with your vote the final score is Floyd- Hendrix 5-4
Dark Side of the Moon goes to the next round
Crowquill will pick the next two albums.

swim

I think you're confusing soft with acoustic.

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