Album Wars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**Janszoon** · 05-22-2011, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Zero1986

Il Duce since you seem to know it all why don't you PM me a nomination for the next battle. I picked these two for a certain reason, they both helped a lot in the downfall of hair-metal in the late 80's, as Urban also mentioned. They don't necessarily have to be their best albums.

I don't agree with that at all to tell you the truth. Maybe it was different on the other side of the Atlantic but over here both bands co-existed with hair metal just fine. I don't remember anyone talking about either as if they were the next big thing. And hair metal didn't fall until the early 90s.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 05-22-2011, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

And hair metal didn't fall until the early 90s.

It was going downhill a long long time before that.

Howard the Duck · 05-22-2011, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Zero1986

Il Duce since you seem to know it all why don't you PM me a nomination for the next battle. I picked these two for a certain reason, they both helped a lot in the downfall of hair-metal in the late 80's, as Urban also mentioned. They don't necessarily have to be their best albums.

Out of these two I have to go with The Real Thing, it's definitly the more ground-breaking of the two and completely broke down some genre barriers. It's such a great mixture of styles including pop, thrash, hip-hop, funk, hard-rock, new-wave, and god knows what else, all thrown without any regard for musical norms. Nothing's Shocking is a fantastic album as well. It is heavily influenced by the likes of Led Zeppelin but they added their own original twist to update hard-rock for generation-x.

Faith No More 4
Jane's Addiction 2

i'll think of two

that's what I would have thought NS would sound like, also

**Janszoon** · 05-22-2011, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

It was going downhill a long long time before that.

Saying it was going downhill implies there was a time when it was better.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 05-22-2011, 09:58 AM

It was.

Most of the early hair metal was glam rock inspired punk. stuff like Motley Crue, Hanoi Rocks, Lords Of The New Chruch, Torme and yes even Guns n Roses.
By 88/89 it was sappy ballads & pop music with crap like Trixter, Winger & Kik Tracee clogging up the place.

Even the music magazines & rock shows were getting bored of it by that time. And that's why stuff like Janes Addiction & Faith No More started getting more attention.

**Janszoon** · 05-22-2011, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

It was.

Most of the early hair metal was glam rock inspired punk. stuff like Motley Crue, Hanoi Rocks, Lords Of The New Chruch, Torme and yes even Guns n Roses.
By 88/89 it was sappy ballads & pop music with crap like Trixter, Winger & Kik Tracee clogging up the place.

To be honest with you I've never really liked groups like Motley Crue and Hanoi Rocks. As far as Guns n Roses go, most of the big songs from Appetite for Destruction didn't actually start dominating the airwaves until the 88/89 time period you're describing.

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

Even the music magazines & rock shows were getting bored of it by that time. And that's why stuff like Janes Addiction & Faith No More started getting more attention.

That was not my experience in this part of the world.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 05-22-2011, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

To be honest with you I've never really liked groups like Motley Crue and Hanoi Rocks. As far as Guns n Roses go, most of the big songs from Appetite for Destruction didn't actually start dominating the airwaves until the 88/89 time period you're describing.

Just proves my point really, Guns n Roses came along sounding closer to what it used to sound like and with the original attitude & became huge because of it.

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That was not my experience in this part of the world.

I was watching American shows. You see British made music shows in that time period & all you'll see is dance music & indie. Hair metal was virtually non existent on TV and Radio then. Just 2 hours on a Friday night on Radio 1, that was it.
I'm not saying they totally dumped hair metal, but they made more space for other types of rock music that they wouldn't have done maybe a couple of years earlier.
I can remember Headbangers Ball doing a whole 2 hour show dedicated to Soundgarden's American tour. That was in 1989 just after Louder Than Love came out. 2 whole years before Nevermind.

sidewinder · 05-22-2011, 03:06 PM

Despite my vote for FNM, thanks for reminding me to play Nothing's Shocking once in a while.

**Janszoon** · 05-22-2011, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

Just proves my point really, Guns n Roses came along sounding closer to what it used to sound like and with the original attitude & became huge because of it.

I was watching American shows. You see British made music shows in that time period & all you'll see is dance music & indie. Hair metal was virtually non existent on TV and Radio then. Just 2 hours on a Friday night on Radio 1, that was it.
I'm not saying they totally dumped hair metal, but they made more space for other types of rock music that they wouldn't have done maybe a couple of years earlier.
I can remember Headbangers Ball doing a whole 2 hour show dedicated to Soundgarden's American tour. That was in 1989 just after Louder Than Love came out. 2 whole years before Nevermind.

From my recollection Headbangers Ball didn't generally play hair metal to start with. It was more Metallica, Anthrax, Iron Maiden, etc.

Howard the Duck · 05-22-2011, 11:54 PM

just got Nothing's Shocking especially for this thread

i think it'll go like this:-

FNM - 5 Jane's - 2

just cause Nothing is pretty faceless and there's no definite identity, whereas The Real Thing laid all the foundations for nu-metal, except that the cover of War Pigs is crap

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