TheBig3

Oh god, close the quote, CLOSE THE QUOTE!

And the synth solo in it is amazing.

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I will, then, hold my opinion on a song that was clearly one of the most over-played songs on FM radio, and something that sounded (before I knew more about it) sounded a little too sentimental to my ears. I understand and that's cool with me that there's a personal inspiration behind the song, as well as a good vocal performance to match it.

EDIT: I agree, the John Paul Jones solo was a great moment.

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Onto the question about the opinion of Metallica. I seriously consider them to be excellent musicians, and there's a great style to their first four albums (The Cliff Burton era is seriously something special and never to be repeated, and I respect most Metal fans calling the first three albums classics), but to me, there was this "We are not wimps!" sound, and while it worked great in order to get Metal in The US out of it's attack from The House of Hair, in the long run the always-aggressive approach could get a little forced sounding for my tastes. Getting back to the Album Wars topic and the reason for my words: In contrast, Led Zeppelin IV's multi-layered approach is pretty much more to my liking.

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While I'm not going to protest your vote on these grounds, you've got to conclude that this is an unverifiable, opinion only conclusion.

I mean...its Metal. I think the whole genre has this mentality. For you to cite it as the reason Master of Puppets is bad is the equivalent of saying that IV sucks because you got the impression Robert Plant just wanted his **** sucked.

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I never said it was bad, in fact it's a good album, and in the end very essential to the evolution of American Metal, and the whole scene in general. There's been some great Metal that has some strong Classical influence - and the Classical versions of Metallica's work seriously brings out the strong beauty that can be in their music - and atmosphere (Usually those who venture into Ambient), and I seriously like some of the more Prog and Experimental music that can possibly be connected to the history of Metal which has impressed me (For starters King Crimson in their Red era). I may not be 100% into Metallica's approach (Which sounds like they're trying too hard, although I still like what I hear through their early albums), but that's only an opinion, but their first four albums still are very important for the genre in my opinion.

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I'm still not sure how an album that cites heavy influence from Rush can be said to have a "we're not wimps" mentality.

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Master of Puppets

Unknown Soldier

Mop 6
IV 8

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And I'd bet we'd gain on forever. Once you get past the grand delusion of Zeppelin, beyond the youthful memories, and even the stark realizations that they may have stole their music, you'd realize that Zeppelin certainly aren't bad but we don't listen to them all that much.

Sure, there are those kids who get stuck in that time frame growing up. As Stunt would say, this is a phase. You've all seen those kids. In 2010 and they list the Beatles, Zeppeling, and The Pink Floyd as their favorite acts. Most of them are 16.

But I firmly believe you can mine the Metallica vein, especially those first 5 albums and fine an endless sea of inspiration. Its not just big riffs, or drum solos, or freaky experimentation. (i'll skip lyrics since I don't think either band was that great).

Metallica knew music, as musicians they are nearly unrivaled by many bands out there today. Are there more technical or poppy bands, of course there are. But they came as close to that Classical appearl - highly techinical and aurally pleasing - as any other band could hope to.

When you hear the breakdown in Master of Puppets, or the Classical lead-in's to Eye of the Beholder; the dissonant solos in Trapped Under Ice, i think most can understand that they're dealing with masters of their craft, people who never stopped working for the best a song could be.

Have they experiemented lately? Sure. Its not been my most favorite of their works but truth be told its nothing Zeppelin didn't do. Either way, I've found more in those musical interludes in Metallica music than I'd find in most other music. And I say this as someone who isn't your average metal fan.

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i'm so happy i'm not the only one who busts out this typo haha

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