The Official Best Guitarist Thread

[Howard the Duck]

Thurston Moore and Lee Ranaldo are the best guitarists

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[Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra]

Originally Posted by blastingas10

That's not why I called you that. I said that because you say things like "all music isn't equal." And "some perspectives are better than others." I accept more than a few musical styles.

This argument is stupid, and you're grasping for straws now. In all fairness, all I did was suggest a guitarist, and I've got a condescending attitude. I don't need something I said in an entirely different thread or context twisted against me.

The point is, You are close minded, and you've been attacking my pick on the fact you just plain don't understand it. I'm bringing up fairly coherent arguments, and you keep arguing back with sarcasm, etc.

This is worse than your ridiculously off-topic tirade in the 'pre-WWII Avant-Garde Composer' thread. It's obvious you don't like, get, or understand experimental music.

However, your obsession with attacking it, and not being able to back up your opinion
with points, or even a decently respectful understanding of what others are saying, does nothing but bother me.

If you think Haino sucks, fine. But, don't bring it up, unless you can back it up with some semblance of logic not just:

Dat's the suxorr Der he retardid!!! Everyone know that!

[TockTockTock]

Originally Posted by Il Duce

Thurston Moore and Lee Ranaldo are the best guitarists

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And... Thurston Moore said that Keiji Haino was the best guitarist. No joke.

Allmusic Review of Beginning and End, Interwoven

[blastingas10]

Originally Posted by Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra

This argument is stupid, and you're grasping for straws now. In all fairness, all I did was suggest a guitarist, and I've got a condescending attitude. I don't need something I said in an entirely different thread or context twisted against me.

The point is, You are close minded, and you've been attacking my pick on the fact you just plain don't understand it. I'm bringing up fairly coherent arguments, and you keep arguing back with sarcasm, etc.

This is worse than your ridiculously off-topic tirade in the 'pre-WWII Avant-Garde Composer' thread. It's obvious you don't like, get, or understand experimental music.

However, your obsession with attacking it, and not being able to back up your opinion
with points, or even a decently respectful understanding of what others are saying, does nothing but bother me.

If you think Haino sucks, fine. But, don't bring it up, unless you can back it up with some semblance of logic not just:

I am not grasping for straws. I was quoting the other thread to support my reasoning for calling you an elitist. I am not close minded. Isn't assuming that someone is close minded a rather close minded assumption? You don't know me or my mind and saying that it is "closed" suggests that you do know my mind, which you don't. And that is being close minded on your part. Maybe if you would open your mind a little you would see that my distaste for Haino doesn't make me closed minded.

Why do I need to back up my opinion? If someone doesn't like a type of music, that's fine. There's no need to back it, It's a matter of personal preference. I clearly did understand what you were saying when I said "I hear what you're saying. He is going beyond the conventions of music." Saying that Haino sucks is no different than you saying that Bob Dylan was highly overrated and was a mediocre lyricist. You didn't say anything to support that opinion other than "Everything he did was folk norm." Which is absolutely wrong. Do you not see the hypocrisy in that?

[Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra]

Originally Posted by blastingas10

Why do I need to back up my opinion? If someone doesn't like a type of music, that's fine. There's no need to back it, It's a matter of personal preference. I clearly did understand what you were saying when I said "I hear what you're saying. He is going beyond the conventions of music." Saying that Haino sucks is no different than you saying that Bob Dylan was highly overrated and was a mediocre lyricist. You didn't say anything to support that opinion other than "Everything he did was folk norm." Which is absolutely wrong. Do you not see the hypocrisy in that?

No, because I didn't do so a way in which demeans people who may like Bob Dylan. I said 'I don't like Dylan because blank blank' not...

DYLAN A LYRCIST WHAT A RETARD-DARD!

Furthermore, I don't say it about every folk musician on the forum in every thread. I don't go into a thread based on classical music, and then start ranting about how blues should classify as classical music.

Point is, you're no bringing up an argument. You're bringing up a close minded attack on somebody for not playing a style you like, in a flagrantly condescending, non-productive fashion. In a way that shows sheer arrogance, arrogance which I feel lacks any discernible justification.

Now, I gave a guitarist, I gave damn good reasons why he should be considered in spite of constant close minded put downs, and I think I've said what needs to be said, alright? If you don't like what I say, don't attack me, attack the underground music industry which treats the man fairly universally as a legend:

http://www.allmusic.com/album/pathetique-r546332

[TockTockTock]

Originally Posted by blastingas10

Isn't assuming that someone is close minded a rather close minded assumption? You don't know me or my mind and saying that it is "closed" suggests that you do know my mind, which you don't. And that is being close minded on your part.

From what you have said in this thread (as well as others), you seem to be fairly closed-minded when it comes to experimental music (which is what Ska was implying).

Why do I need to back up my opinion?

You questioned Haino's skill and innovation at the guitar (in a very rude manner might I add), and you simply wrote him off as being "sucky." Also, you made it seem that conventional composition was objectively superior to unconventional composition... It wasn't until later that you stated that you just disliked his music and that it was your "opinion."

That's why we questioned your opinion. Your comments came off as being blatantly rude and rather ignorant, so... we wanted to see why you thought the way you did (and still do).

Originally Posted by blastingas10

I believe the only music that I've come off as not accepting on here, besides Haino, is electronic music.

That reminds me. I know that you like rock music from the 60s, so I would highly recommend you look into White Noise, The United States of America, and Silver Apples. All three were psychedelic rock bands that used a great deal of electronics when recording and composing their music.

[blastingas10]

How did I demean anyone? I said he sucks and I said my brother(who actually isn't retarded, he just doesn't know how to play guitar)could play like Haino. And in a way he can because the way plays is completely unconventional. I never meant to demean anyone, and I never meant to prove how Haino isn't good. I guess I said it in a somewhat rude way, but I didn't think anyone would take it so seriously. I didn't expect anyone to give a damn what I said, haha. If I'm going to give reasoning for not liking him, I would say that his playing doesn't really have any melody to it, no structure, and it just doesn't sound good to me. I never denied that he was doing something unconventional or unique.

[Salami]

You can take some solace from the fact that about three people on this forum think that Keiji is a good guitarist. And hey, I do give a damn what you think! I agree with you!

[Unknown Soldier]

Originally Posted by Il Duce

Thurston Moore and Lee Ranaldo are the best guitarists

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Amen to that.

[blastingas10]

Originally Posted by Mighty Salami

You can take some solace from the fact that about three people on this forum think that Keiji is a good guitarist. And hey, I do give a damn what you think! I agree with you!

Haha thanks Salami. I'm usually the minority here.