The Official Best Guitarist Thread

[Howard the Duck]

listening to Aretha Franklin so Steve Cropper, easily

or is that him playing on her songs?

greatest white devil ever

[Salami]

Originally Posted by blastingas10

I wouldn't say Clapton has no feeling. He's not the best but he's pretty damn good. White men CAN PLAY the blues. Peter Green is a good example of it. Stevie Ray Vaughan is an even better example.

Haino sucks. There's no way you can convince me that he's good. One of the worst guitarists ive ever seen. I guess he's doing some kind of "abstract" thing that I am failing to see. He looks like a tweeked out schizophrenic with no idea of how to play. But I see what you're saying, he's doing his own thing. But quite frankly, its terrible IMO.

Hooray. I agree with every word of that.

[Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra]

Originally Posted by blastingas10

I wouldn't say Clapton has no feeling. He's not the best but he's pretty damn good. White men CAN PLAY the blues. Peter Green is a good example of it. Stevie Ray Vaughan is an even better example.

White men can play the blues from a technical point of view. Stevie Ray Vaughan is a perfect example of a guy who basically just shreds around, and does Yngwie ****. The point is, though, it's just a technique show. Vaughan in particular has always bothered me in this regard. He pretty much noodles blues to death.

I like noodley guitar, but it's frankly a contradiction to the actual point of 'blues'. Jimi Hendrix, for example, knew WHEN to noodle, and when not to. He knew that maintaining blues was about allowing the guitar to keep a heavy rhythmic feel. Vaughan I always felt completely missed that point.

Vaughan is an extremely emotionally void guitar player who dulls me to sleep every time I hear him. You CAN do technical guitar, and make it emotionally interesting, John McLaughlin is a fantastic example of it, but Vaughan misses the mark with that.

Besides that, it's easy to do Blues in 1960-present now that it's 'cool'. I much prefer the Japanese abrasive style because it actually takes balls to perform. People like Agata, for example, might not be the most technical guitarists, but they do things that give the instrument it's own character. Something that it's been dying for years in the American 'old fart rock' realm.

Done completely with guitar/effects:



Furthermore, here's an example that proves at many points Haino can 'play play':



See, Haino is great not only due to the fact he has an amazing versatility, and an amazingly original style. It's the fact he doesn't immediately pull out his cock, and show the 'dee-da-lee-dee-da-le-dee' stuff. When he makes something violently frustrated he puts REAL frustration in, even if it extends beyond textbook technique.

[nathjc123]

Do people actually listen to this??? I'm not mocking or anything as everyone has an opinion, but i was wondering do people put this on and listen to it...or buy his albums?? i really don't get it maybe thats why :p

[Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra]

No, absolutely not. Nobody listens to it.

[Salami]

That third video was the first one I ever saw of Keiji; one of my friends emailed the link to me recently with the words: "OMG you have got to see this its the worst two guitarists who ever lived with the worst drummer who ever lived all in the same place!!!"
I would like to point out that Keiji is in no means the worst who ever lived, I think Fred Durst is the man for that title, but I think that if you mean "emotional" playing as violently bashing the strings and doing weird things like turning them around a screwdriver, then I think that the toddler causing a racket with its' toy guitar in the middle of the family service is worthy of occupying the same pedestal.
By the way, listen to Tears in Heaven and tell me that that isn't emotional.

[lucifer_sam]

To me, you can talk about the technical prowess of Vaughan or Clapton or whatever other competent guitarist out there. But if their music bores you senseless, that technical ability is meaningless; it is the pursuit of virtuosity without an aim to being a virtuoso.

I like Hendrix; I think he's one of the few guitarists to transcend the limitations of his instrument. Not many other guitarists can make that claim.

[blastingas10]

Originally Posted by Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra

White men can play the blues from a technical point of view. Stevie Ray Vaughan is a perfect example of a guy who basically just shreds around, and does Yngwie ****. The point is, though, it's just a technique show. Vaughan in particular has always bothered me in this regard. He pretty much noodles blues to death.

I like noodley guitar, but it's frankly a contradiction to the actual point of 'blues'. Jimi Hendrix, for example, knew WHEN to noodle, and when not to. He knew that maintaining blues was about allowing the guitar to keep a heavy rhythmic feel. Vaughan I always felt completely missed that point.

Vaughan is an extremely emotionally void guitar player who dulls me to sleep every time I hear him. You CAN do technical guitar, and make it emotionally interesting, John McLaughlin is a fantastic example of it, but Vaughan misses the mark with that.

Besides that, it's easy to do Blues in 1960-present now that it's 'cool'. I much prefer the Japanese abrasive style because it actually takes balls to perform. People like Agata, for example, might not be the most technical guitarists, but they do things that give the instrument it's own character. Something that it's been dying for years in the American 'old fart rock' realm.

I've never heard anyone speak so badly of Stevie Ray. I think songs like Lenny have plenty of emotion. I somewhat get what you're saying though. I think he just took a lot from someone like Albert King and added technical ability to it. But I still Love him. I love Clapton too, no matter how many times people talk badly about him, which I've seen a lot. I've always felt that Hendrix was better than them both. His playing was more original and emotional. Mclaughlin was great. Even he plays like Hendrix sometimes. He does in The Mahavishnu song Dance of Maya. He does a little bluesy thing every now and then. He can do it all.

Originally Posted by lucifer_sam

To me, you can talk about the technical prowess of Vaughan or Clapton or whatever other competent guitarist out there. But if their music bores you senseless, that technical ability is meaningless; it is the pursuit of virtuosity without an aim to being a virtuoso.

I like Hendrix; I think he's one of the few guitarists to transcend the limitations of his instrument. Not many other guitarists can make that claim.

I agree. But I've never been bored by Clapton or Stevie Ray. If i'm going to talk about a technical guitarists who bores me, I'm going to say Malmsteen, Satriani and Vai. Those guys bore me to death. Then you someone like Buckethead who is just as technical, but he puts feeling into his music. If you've ever seen him live, you know he has fun with it, instead of showing off his technical ability like a Vai or Satriani. And yes, I agree. Hendrix was way ahead of his time and so unlike any guitarist of his era.

Originally Posted by Il Duce

listening to Aretha Franklin so Steve Cropper, easily

or is that him playing on her songs?

greatest white devil ever

Cropper is one of those "white devils" who wasn't that technical. He had a pretty original style. When Hendrix met him, he was shocked to see that he was white haha.

[TockTockTock]

Originally Posted by blastingas10

One of the worst guitarists ive ever seen.

How?

He looks like a tweeked out schizophrenic...

Exactly! That's (one of the reasons) why we like him.

... with no idea of how to play.

Well... it's a good thing that he does know how to play (I suppose).

Originally Posted by nathjc123

Do people actually listen to this??? I'm not mocking or anything as everyone has an opinion, but i was wondering do people put this on and listen to it...or buy his albums?? i really don't get it maybe thats why :p

Trust me, I was in your position a year ago, but... eventually something clicked, and I became much more open-minded. I went from despising avant-garde music one week to falling in love with it the next.

[killcreek]

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