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The idea of this thread is to make people think. My intention is that this thread be a sort of hypothetical situation discussion. Feel free to answer the questin posed, or post one of your own.

I have seen some grumblings that all the music talk has dried up, so hopefully, this will make people think about music.

Ok, I will post the first question.


I find the song "American Idiot" by Green Day to be a great song. It's got a lot of energy, and 'snub your nose at authority' lyrics.

I have heard a lot of people bash Green Day for being soft punk, or whatever it's called.

My question is, what would the average punk fan's opinion of American Idiot be if say, The Ramones, or The Sex Pistols, had written and recorded it?

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sleepy jack

I think alot of people dislike the song for the fact of what green day stand for. I mean yeah you diss america for alot of reasons blah blah thats all good. Then you go and wear eyeliner and dress like a trendy hot topic goth. All the hype they get for it and press doesn't help the love for it either

Now more to the question, I doubt the ramones would do something like that to be honest they we're never very political. If the sex pistols did it, then alot of average punk fans would probaly be all over it and praise it. Because a "true punk band" did it, as opposed to an "MTV punk band" doing it. Then again alot of average punk bands have a hate for the sex pistols because of that whole mess they are.

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Muzak

I agree that most people bash Green Day because of their new style mostly.

My question is, what if The Aquabats and The Hippos started out with their newest albums (The Aquabats are now new age punk-thing, The Hippos are now synth pop). Would they be more popular?

Urban Hat€monger ?

I`d put it down to them having a bad day.

But in seriousness the problem with it is it sounds like exactly the same as every other song they`ve ever recorded and after about 6 or however many albums it just gets dull.The Pistols made one album & dissapeared , they never let that happen.It could be said the ramones are guilty of what green day are too but I never really liked them much either , apart from that album they recorded with Phil Spector and I liked that because it was different.

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DearJenny

I still stand by Green Day. They are still making good music. They got more commercial than some would like, they didnt "sell out" sicne that term is being thrown around so much. If the Sex Pistols did it, I think it would have been ****ing sweet though. Green Day did good, but Sex Pistols could've done better.

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tdoc210

^ i used to like you.....

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DearJenny

Aww. Consider them my flaw, okay? I have a soft spot for "Wake me up when September Ends".

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Muzak

That song makes want to throw burning babies off a cliff. and this is coming from a big Green Day fan.

DearJenny

lol.

Well it was just refreshing. And the video was a bit over-dramatic, but I have a friend who is going into the army and his girlfriend reacted that way, so I think of them when I hear that song.

And at least I'm not raving about Good Charlotte or All American Rejects. I would deduct myself respect points if I ever started going off in a tangent about them.

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Merkaba

No one likes Green Day because they're trying to do something they're not. Or at least they're trying to do it but they have no vindication. If the Ramones tried to do American Idiot, they would do it their way, and people would love it because it's the Ramones, it's what people come to expect from them. When Greenday did it, all I thought was man this is crap, it doesn't sound like Greenday. Probably didn't help when the DJ said it was the biggest song of the year eather.

Choosing a supercar, what do you pick: The purebred Ferarri or the no frills Mazda? Can Mazda even make supercars?

Point being, you recognise a band based on what it has done, what it is renowned for, what you can expect to gain from listening to them.

Greenday, by doing something new, took a risk. Frankly they ballsed up but if they continue with this new style I'm sure they can create a taste for it and maybe one day produce the next American Idiot, that everyone will like, based on what they've come to expect.

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