littleknowitall

but without something to promote things like greenday and blink wouldn't they just go straight onto the real punk?
you shouldn't have to be weened on to decent music, that means your forcing yourself to listen to it, listen to what you want, and if mtv isn't around you have no choice but to go for decent music

sleepy jack

Not really, alot of punk is too raw to get straight into and alot of people go from a poppier version to the real thing. I use to think The Used was too hardcore, and now I listen to Converge.

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Who needs MTV

I had John Peel & Steve Lamaque

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littleknowitall

heh, i see some logic, although i don't recall ever being weened myself:S. i've always just listened to what i thought was alright.

right-track

When I was a kid I would buy one 7" single a week. It's all I could afford.
I would play that piece of vinyl constantly and always go back to it.
When I bought an album with the sleeve notes etc, it became a prize possession.
Now all I have to do is download from a P2P and have anything I want.
A vast amount of my music exists on my hard drive (stuff I've got lately and the stuff I've ripped from my existing cd collection).
It's just not the same anymore.

Forget MTV...how has the internet affected music?
Better or worse?

jr.

You hit the nail right on the head, right track. I had the exact same thought. I know we're viewed as dinosaurs, and rightly so, considering the demographic here. But 'back then', music was held in a lot higher value, since it was harder to come by.

You hear that one new song for a month on the radio, and counted the days until the album was released. I'm sure it's that way now, as well, except, when the album is released now, a few clicks of a button, and you have it.

Having to save your allowance, or grass cutting money, and riding your bike to the record store, and seeing all those brand new records. That was something special.

The internet, as well as MTV, have made music so accessible, the thrill of anticipation is virtually gone. It's hard for someone like me to say that music has gotten worse, simply because, by the time I hit my mid 20's or so, my musical tastes were changing, and music was evolving in a different direction from the one I was headed.

Do I think it's gotten worse? Yes. But that is only my opinion. I have no hard evidence, only my ear. I will give you folks this to ponder: What bands out there would never have made it without MTV? There are, I'm sure, literally hundreds, who, without the sense of sight, would have never made it to the radio.

As far as the history of MTV, I was around, in my musical prime, when it started. It begain with no commercials at all, just videos, back to back to back. Then, they started playing commercials, only there was no sound during them.

Then, they added Vee-jays. Martha Quinn, J.J. Jackson, Alan Hunter, Mark-somebody, and that ditzy blonde. It evolved, and grew, and artists started showing up on the network as it gained in popularity. It was another medium to promote themselves, and they used it. A prime example of this is Madonna. She is the MTV queen. Would she have remained so popular without MTV? She was a chameleon, changing her look, and that is what kept people interested for so long, because her music didn't change much at all.

I think the first game show on MTV was 'Remote Control', a pop-culture quiz show. Then the specialized, late night programming started. Sunday nights had '120 Minutes', two hours of new wave, progressive type stuff. My oasis, though, was Saturday nights, (or was it Fridays?) The Headbangers Ball. Awesome!!!

The, the day Yo! MTV Raps came on, I turned off MTV and never went back. Seriously.

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jazzfromhell

I'm sixteen, and although I'm not trying to sound pretentious, I try and stay pretty old-school with my music. I buy all of my CD's at stores (or over the Internet, which may seem pretty modern, but I don't think it's too different from ordering records over the phone). Other than bootlegs, which I download a lot of, I download a song only once or twice a month (sometimes not even that). I don't usually play music through my computer, almost always through the stereo system. Frankly, anything modern that makes things too conveniant gives me a bad feeling (iPods, cell phones, etc., although I'll try to keep this limited to music). I love having physical CD's, with factory-produced album covers and liner notes. I don't feel like I really have music until I have it on a hard, legal CD. 99% of the music I buy is between old and way old (as in, parents' parents' parents' music, and when I go classical, even beyond that), so I rarely feel this sense of anticipation that jr. is talking about. Most of it doesn't even get played on the radio. So, when asked whether the Internet has had a positive or negative effect on music, I'd say negative, but remind the person asking that that's a very, very subjective response.

However, that first paragraph only covers the music market. What I believe the by far greatest product of the Internet is, would be that it's like having a reference library in your house. I'm constantly researching on the internet, be it music, books, movies, whatever. Would I know half of what I know about Louis Armstrong, Charlie Christian, Pink Floyd, Public Enemy, whoever, if it weren't for the internet? Probably not. So, when we're talking music as a whole, I'd say that the internet has had a negative effect in some areas (as I said though, that's rather objective), but a positive effect in others.

As for MTV, **** it, by the time my parents would actually let me watch that trash, I knew better. It may have been great at one time, but by the time I was able to look at it with a balanced head, it was a joke. I don't even like music videos, in the first place.

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Jr.

To each his own, im a rap enthusiast myself.

I liked MTV up until the point when they stopped actualy having anything to do with music whatsoever, and when they actualy do play music its not worth it, because its garanteed to be shit.

I think downloading music online is great, because it does allow you to find a lot of great music that you cant find anywhere else, and a lot more indie bands have gotten popular in the past 6 years because of the internet, with little or no help from MTV or the radio.

I doubt a album like Kid A would have been so successful without the internet, because MTV and the radio stations wouldnt touch it, in fact, millions of copies of it were downloaded off Napster one week before its actual release, and yet it debuted at #1 in the UK charts and remained there for a week and it still managed to stay at #1 on the US charts for up to 8 weeks dispite NO official singles having been released...Thats pretty damn remarkable...Noel Gallagher said it best that the secret to the albums success was its total lack of promotion, and that the buzz it got on the internet alone gave it enough hype to become a chart topper, to everyones surprise.

It also proves that illegal downloading has miminal effect on how much a record will actualy sell in the long run.

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hiu

I would prefer downloading my 7"s off the internet than buying one off eBay for 1000 dollars if i'm lucky enough to actually find it, see bands that produce 100 pressings of a single in the 70s then disappear don't tend to turn up on your doorstep, or your local record store in this case. In saying this I go down to the local record store every weekend and have a look around. So internet has affected music in a good way for me. Without it most of the obscure music I listen to I would never have.

jibber

better. now the music industry is more driven by the consumer. Of course it always has been to an extent, but before the internet existed, record companies chose what they wanted the public to hear, and unless you had a record deal, it was basically impossible to be successful. The internet changed all that, now anyone with access to the internet can find any band that puts their stuff out there, regardless of if they're represented by a label or not.

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