What if? (albums, beatles, rolling stones, Paul McCartney, John Lennon)

MURDER JUNKIE · 04-01-2006, 12:17 AM

I am an ignorant guy

boo boo · 04-01-2006, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

Huh?

Of course it`s speculation , I don`t live in a world where the Beatles don`t exist.
How can you quote me as saying 'things will be different' and then say i`m saying things would be the same?

I was refering to Murder Junkies statements, not yours.

littleknowitall · 04-01-2006, 03:39 AM

there's not a singular recent greenday track i like, regardless of wether or not they're sell outs or how they reflect on the rest of the world or what they're calling themselves, i just don't like any of their new songs.

the fact that they do somewhat besmerch the name of punk i've only began to think about from this thread, and they do, and i guess it's somewhat insulting that they're credited as a great new punk band.

they're new music has become more simplistic and is in no way anywhere near as good as some of their older stuff. obviously theres more reasoning to it than they're being more simplistic but im not gonna type it all out.

they're extremely overplayed, not their fault i know, but they are, and when you don't like the song in the first place and its being played as every other track on the tv and radio and being called another genious track from the great gods of punk, there's no way you can argue that that isnt irritating.

littleknowitall · 04-01-2006, 03:40 AM

****nuts, weve changed the topic i presume?

jibber · 04-01-2006, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by shiftael

ok I'm gonna be bold and try and get back on the original topic and pose a what if theory and probably open one of my fave bands up for bashing and flaming but I was the one who asked the opinion, so here goes..
This is more to the people who dislike Kiss either intensely or just a little bit.. What if they'd written basically the same material and style but if they'd started off WITHOUT their makeup I wonder if they would have become as phenominal as they did, of if they would've become lost in the 70's shuffle. This is coming from a fan, too, but I'm thinking they probably might've gotten lost if they had left it off.... And another quesiton would you have possibly liked them any better and given them more credit if hey hadn't done the makeup thing..

I'm gonna let urban and boob boo battle out the beatles/stones thing and take this one. Of course they wouldn't have been as successful, I'd say about 90% of their success is because of their image, they've even admitted as much themselves. It's the same thing with black sabath. Yeah they put out some great music (even their worst stuff is much better than anything kiss could ever come up with), but much of their mass success was due to the whole prince of darkness image ozzy had going. It's actually a noticable trend in that time period, most likely influenced by the stones (yeah I said I wouldnt get them into it, but whatever). Rock bands at that time were all about the dirty, wild, outrageous "rock and roll" image.

Crowe · 04-01-2006, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MURDER JUNKIE

The state of recorded music may have suffered had the Beatles not existed, however the state of music would be the same. I really don't think their influence is half as great as people say

Agreed. I think the Beatles are overrated. Do not get me wrong, I love the Beatles... but they are over-fu(king-rated, imo.

dog · 04-01-2006, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jr.

My own personal opinion is, I thought the Stones were, if not better, more interesting. While the Beatles sang "I Wanna Hold Your Hand", the Stones sang "I Wanna Be Your Man". The counter-culture Beatles.

Anyway, my two cents.

how many times must i say that beatles didnt only play "love-ballad-happy-go-lucky" stuff?

self titled album is much much better than anything stones have ever done.

so funny how many times we've this discussion. boo boo and urbanhatemonger being the main guys in it.

MY two cents.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 04-01-2006, 05:54 AM

I`m not even battling anything

dog · 04-01-2006, 05:55 AM

did i say that?.. i like your avatar.

boo boo · 04-01-2006, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

I`m not even battling anything

I misinterpreted your statements, sorry for automaticly assuming you were ready to start a Beatles vs Stones debate.

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littleknowitall Pow! Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,671	there's not a singular recent greenday track i like, regardless of wether or not they're sell outs or how they reflect on the rest of the world or what they're calling themselves, i just don't like any of their new songs. the fact that they do somewhat besmerch the name of punk i've only began to think about from this thread, and they do, and i guess it's somewhat insulting that they're credited as a great new punk band. they're new music has become more simplistic and is in no way anywhere near as good as some of their older stuff. obviously theres more reasoning to it than they're being more simplistic but im not gonna type it all out. they're extremely overplayed, not their fault i know, but they are, and when you don't like the song in the first place and its being played as every other track on the tv and radio and being called another genious track from the great gods of punk, there's no way you can argue that that isnt irritating.

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