you think music would be really different if beatles never exisisted?

I think us Green Day haters are getting far too much flak.

I don`t think they ever sold out I just think they`re shit and have done ever since I heard their 2nd album when it came out 12 or 13 years ago. Of all the bands on small independant labels that could have got attention this bunch of 3 chord wonders without an original bone in their entire bodies got it all. Their music is lowest common denominator singalong pop rock dressed up as punk to give it some marketability.

Say what you like , I fucking hate this band. I don`t care if they`re punk , I don`t care if they sold out , it`s just a smokescreen for a band that never had any fucking originalty at any point at any time.

For every marketed, hyped band out there, there is 100 more worthy bands with much more talent, who never get a look in and it winds me up, but I don't blame Green Day. I blame the music market and the tossers who fall for it.

Green Day = the Spice Girls of Punk.

i think times have changed and the internet makes it possible for every band to get an audience.

but to move on from green day bashing ( i like green day by the way ), no i don't think the beatles made such an impact on music and it would have developed just as well without them.....besides, the rolling stones were their contemporaries which means that not every rock band derived from the beatles' music.

They sold 1.45 million copies of American Idiot in their first week, in the age of downloading this is a very impressive feat. I have never weighed in on the Green Day issue so I would like to tell you that it is a very good and daring album. It brought up issues the public was thinking at the right time. I don't own it but it is quite good compared to anything else on the charts

I would heartily agree with this comment, anything sold half of a million copies in the moden age by any music style is good and well I used to bash them and mostly blindly until I head the live allbum, and well I won't bash them anymore.. They're far form my favorite but I don't hate them BLINDLY anymore like I used to.. Uusally the more critics/'normal' people hate a band or an artist that'll make me want to hear 'em een more and judge for myself..
They're far from my favorite, but the live effort gets a nod of respect from this 'hardened' and jaded music fanatic.

I seriously hope that you are joking.

Does anyone here know who The Aquabats and The Hippos are? :(

You really missed what I said, "I mean yeah you diss america for alot of reasons blah blah thats all good. Then you go and wear eyeliner and dress like a trendy hot topic goth." I didn't diss them for dressing just for dressing like that, I dissed them for dressing like that and putting out a message like they do. Kind of hypocritical to dress extremely trendy then have lyrics like these "Don't wanna be an American idiot one nation controlled by the media information age of hysteria it's calling out to idiot America." don't ya think?

Oh yeah I wasn't responding to you singularly, but you always hear bashing based on their style - so I addressed - I only referenced your comment because I didn't want to be coming out of nowhere. I don't know if it's hypocritical... ironic, maybe. Green Day is creating some of these trends - some of it isn't trendy before they do it- but it's hard to pinpoint that kind of thing.

I don't think it's new to not like Green Day. I mean it's like that for everyband... some people are going to like you, some aren't. It's like that in every walk of life. It has, however, become trendy to openly bash Green Day - put down their fans - say they "suck" - call them the cliche "sell outs", "wannabes", "fake punks"... what have you....

I think that Green Day does deserve respect. They've made music through two decades of a radically changing music scene, staying true to their roots... they don't claim to be anything more than the 3 chord punk that they started out as - all the members are still there... they've accomplished great things. Yeah, they make a lot of money... does that make them sell outs? They make music that their audience likes... does that make them sell outs? With every album they try something new, they grow... does that make them sell outs? They dress accordingly to the styles of the day... sell outs? They make political statements in their music... sell outs?

Following that same syllogism... the Beatles are also sell outs.