Crowe

You have to remember the continental size of the US. Our Louisiana/Southern Mississippi is almost as big as your country. New Orleans is the biggest city in Louisiana. It is not the same as when Britain gets a new style of music - and the US does. We are a humongous country. And I said that the US (New Orleans being a part of the US, and I also pointed out specifically "our cajun country") had Ska first. We are closer to Jamaica, it's no wonder that we would get the immediate immigrants and subsequently the music scene.

I'm responding to like 2 -3 people per post, I wasn't referring to you in this case.

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Urban Hat€monger ?

But if Ska did have any sort of impact in the U.S. there would be American ska bands in the late 60s & 70s , now i`m no expert on the genre but I can`t think of a single one.Those Jamaican immigrants in in New Orleans may have started there , but the fact remains they were born in Jamaica & returned there to record & play. And like I said , found success in the UK and spawned the genre there.

It`s pointless to bring up population all the time , Just because the U.S. is bigger. Do you know what the total number of album sales in the UK was last year?
It was 237 million

Total album sales in the U.S. last year - 666 million

Even despite the huge population difference the uk sells more than a third of the total number of album sales of the U.S. So in my book that means an artist only has to sell 3 albums in the U.S. for every one he sells in the U.K. to be a success over there.

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Crowe

I wasn't merely speculating about population. At the time it would have been harder to spread new music around such a big area than it would your country. It's not opinion, that's fact... it's common logic. With the same hose it would take longer to fill a swimming pool up with water than it would a bathtub.

Album sales nowadays are not the definition of "success" - so it's not the same thing.

The genre was spawned in Jamaica due to American influence. America had ska before England in our cajun country. Ska found it's way across the pond and was popular in England. Ska came back to America - popular, and then America reworked it. And now ska is almost completely dominated by American bands.

There ya go. Ska.

I'm tired of this roundabout thread. Each of us have too much pride to allow any admittance or give any ground - it's pointless. That being said - I'm outta here. I'd be glad to talk about this sans competitive nature!

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hookers with machineguns

No Doubt bringing ska to the forefront? Forefront of what, MTV & radio play? Did you forget about Madness?

I don't agree that Weezer's album was a quitessential 90s emo album. The 90s was repetitive and ****ty produced screamo bands and the last remains of decent hardcore that didn't have cheese metal riffs.

Boo Boo, those bands influenced a lot of the bands we talk about in the indie forum, but not so much emo bands. Most of that was supposed to be mid-late 80s hardcore punk bands.

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hookers with machineguns

And Sonic Youth and The Pixies aren't indie emo, I'm not sure what you were trying to say there.

Edit: It's also not fair to give the U.S. any credit (mention) for ska/reggae. It might have had a bigger market here before Britain, but c'mon. Let's not forget the REAL roots.

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Crowe

Ska Officianados (authors, musical historians) have accredited Ska's birth as the Jamaican interpretation of American Jazz and Big Band music and Ska was born as a response to the American influences, so you're argument is with them. I haven't said anything about Reggae being started in the US.

Sometimes I'm not very articulate. The Pixies were alternative. Sonic Youth was also alternative at the timie, but Daydream Nation - their best album - was generally accepted as an indie hit - and one of the best album's of the decade. Both of these bands had huge influences on the groups of today, and this is the stuff that influenced the playing styles of many emo groups and indie groups that we know. Because they grew up listening to it.

Alternative didn't mean the same back then as it does now. It was merely a term used to describe music that wasn't mainstream. Indie, before the populace bastardized it, and turned it into a genre... meant the same thing - but it took the place of alt because alt had turned into a genre.

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cardboard adolescent

Aaargh! That statement makes me cry!

Husker Du
Minutemen
Pere Ubu
Suicide
Mission of Burma
The entire No Wave scene
Sonic Youth
Big Black
Swans
Devo
The Cramps
Half Japanese

and probably more.

It's not that I'm denying that the British didn't have a ****load of amazing post-punk bands, but you just looked over a ton of my favorite bands, and I couldn't just let that go.

hookers with machineguns

We're talking about ska and reggae though, not jazz. I agree with what the historians (?) or whatever say, but the Americans still shouldn't take any mentionable credit for that music in this thread, that's my opinion. It is kind of interesting though, one of the most influential bands, The Specials, is from Britain. Most of the U.S. third wave pisses me off, but there are a few select bands that keep it traditional, that's all I care about.

Yeah but then again, anyone with any appreciation for music was listening to the Pixies and Sonic Youth at one point.

Yes, but most genre's get 'bastardized' over time. Punk, emo, hardcore, ska...it almost seems like a natural process. There is a difference though. Indie seems to cover slightly more different styles than the term alternative did back in the 80s. Ahhh, I explained it better in the indie education thread.

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bungalow

You have the most bullshit argument.
Who cares if emo bands are influenced by English bands, that isnt the point. The point is, that the United States does emo music better.

Using your logic to completely deflate your argument about The Beatles greatness, and the fact that they are British.

'Weren't the Beatles inspired by US bands such as Elvis Presly, Little Richard, Buddy Holly and The Crickets, and Chuck Berry?'

You only use that logic when it suits your argument, but then claim it isnt a valid argument when someone uses it to refute your point. Which is why I have 0 respect for you.

littleknowitall

hmmmm.....right, this suggestion may be a little drug induced and a little misspelled, but thats ok. maybe, in order to s4etlle this you should list out all genres worth mentioning and give a point to whatever place does that genre better, place with most points wins, break it down rather than just saying music, keep track of each little arguement over each genre much eaqsier...