sleepy jack

Iggy and the Stooges. Britian can't even compare to america in the punk.

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boo boo

Iggy And The Stooges being a punk band has always been a matter of debate, i think they are punk, but regardless some of their biggest influences were british bands, like The Stones, The Kinks and The Who.

When you think about it, the template for punk rock as we know it can be traced back to those 3 bands.

The Ramones had many british rock influences, hell, Joey even tried to sound british on all of their records.

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sleepy jack

I thought influence didn't matter? You brushed aside the american influence on some of the bands you mentioned.

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TheBig3

That first wave of punk was negligible in my opinoin, DK's, Black Flag, Bad Religeon, Soical D...thats what sells me.

We own the balls off of britian in blues, country, punk, jazz, and hip hop/rap.

Whats it feel like to be a one-trick pony britain?

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boo boo

Im taking both influence and quantity into consideration.

UK simply had a greater quantity of more influencial musicians.

And better musicians, in my opinion...Though thats not the point im trying to make.

Bands like The Beatles, The Stones, Zeppelin, Sabbath, etc have had consistant influence generations of bands, and their influence is still quite powerful today, the influence of early rock n roll pioneers like Elvis, Chuck Berry, Little Richard and others have faded in the past couple of years, while that by NO means takes away from their greatness, its also a good way to measure direct influence, and most bands today dont credit them as influences.

Thing is, every decade thousands of bands tip their hats to The Stones and The Beatles, their influence on young musicians hasnt faded a bit.

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sleepy jack

That last one is bull, The Fall Of Troy are more talented musicians then the majority of bands you've mentioned. Oh snap only classic rock artists count though...who do we have..oh that jimi hendrix dude!

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This is so true. Boo boo's logic only applies when it benefits Britain. I don't even understand how someone can say that The Who, the Kinks, and the Stones are the template of Punk music, and then turn around and say that even though those bands were all influenced by Blues and Rock & Roll, Britain is still more influential. That makes absolutely no sense. If you're going to use that kind of logic, then it has to work both ways.

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A lot of the bands I listen to also cite The Beach Boys, VU, The Stooges and other Proto-Punk bands, early Hardcore bands, etc., etc.

Oh, but wait, none of those bands are famous and most are American, so I guess they don't mean shit.

boo boo

And i told you im not talking about whos more talented or whos better, thats all subjective opinion and it dosent affect this debate (or it shouldnt anyway), we are talking about greatest, im not saying The Beatles and The Stones ARE greater than Elvis and Dylan, just that UK has more bands that can be considered great, and The Beatles has influenced more innovative and talented bands than Elvis has...And one thing UK dosent lack is technicaly gifted musicians, um hello?...Mahavishnu Orchestra anyone?

And Jimi Hendrix may have been a born american, but he got his big break in England, he lived there for years, plus Mitchell and Redding were british, making JHE essentialy a british act, the UK was where he made his records, thats the place that made him famous, and thats where he first got noticed, if he stayed in the states, its likely nobody would even know who he is, no record company in the US wanted to have a thing to do with him.

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