Was Ringo A Crap Drummer.
 

Ringo Starr...was he any good on the skins?

In my opinion Ringo has always had a bad press and has always been slagged off as the least talented of The Beatles.

He was always the first to admit that he wasn't the most talented drummer and often put himself down.
But in reality would the other 3 have had him in the band if they thought he was crap, particularly a perfectionist like McCartney?

how hard was it to drum to that lollipop bullshit?

i think ringo was a fine drummer. i mean, he was definitely not as talented as others, but i think he contributed to the beatles sound.

i know for a fact that drummers can change the sound of a band completely. my band, who recently found a new drummer that is about 324349720348987 times better than our last one, has a noticeably revamped sound because the drummer is capable of different and more complicated fills and beats.

i think in the way you are looking at it, that ringo was part of the original sound of the beatles, and they didnt want to change that. they got together, and liked the sound they had and they didnt want to change it, and they didnt need to. if they really thought he was that bad, they probably would have ousted him, but they didnt because they liked the sound they had.

...thats the way i see it.

he never played the most challeging drum beats for any drummer i dont think..

I personally don't think he's the worlds worse drummer but no he was not that good by any means... q the :band:

Now then, now then...temper, temper!

I'll let BungalowBill answer that one. ;)

adidasss was a far better drummer when he was in the beatles.

edit: cuz i hurt adidasss feelings

HAHAHAHA!

to me without ringo the bestles wouldn't have had the same sound, nor would have been so great.. because all the beatles made them as great as what they were.. take out one the band just sucks..

^sort of what i said.


fenix....whats with all your fudging adidasss's face into these pictures...?

its great.

just havin some fun with him, he didnt find it amusing, so i will stop with him, and maybe find someone else that wont mind some fun and games.

*tries frantically to find his post in the member picture gallery to delete it*

i think ringo was a good drummer. i wouldnt rank him near the top of the greatest of all time. but i think that the succes of the beatles was a team effort. they each did their part to the best of their ability, and no one tried to outshine the others.

well congradufuckinglations, this is probably the most uncomfortable i ever got on these boards.....or maybe i'm just in a lousy fucking mood tonight....

cheer up, ive deleted the pics.

id go with the latter:p:

No shit!
Now cheer up yer' miserable twat.

Is Meg White a crap drummer?

It's debatable. Purely on principal shes a crap drummer but she makes the White Stripes the White Stripes. Same for Starr, he suited the band more then the want for outright ability.

^pretty much what i said. he wasnt the best, by far. but he made the beatles sound. if they had a different drummer, they would have had a slightly different sound.

Meg White is an awful drummer, you could find any simpleton to fill her place in that group.

Ringo Starr < Keith Moon

good point right track. ive never heard anyone speak about ringo that way. and yea i think he was doing his job perfectly, bonham type drumming in the beatles was uneeded, and unecassary.

it wasnt all lollipop music to whoever made that remark. listen to revolver, sgt peppers, self titled, abbey road.

No you couldn't. Sometimes restraint with regard to drumming is huge. In fact, I'd go out on a limb and say the more highly trained techinal drummer are often ****tier than the guy you hand a couple sticks too.

^how so?

i take it that youre saying that there is often more originality in the guy who has no clue what he's doing, rather than the guy that knows every single thing here is to know about drumming, and has done it all before.

am i right in assuming that thats what you are trying to say?

You're wrong.

The White Stripes would be so much better with Neil Peart on drums LOL!!!11!

And Batio and Cooley should replace Jack on guitar, Dio replace him on vocals, and then have Billy Sheenan on bass.

Cuz you cant have a good band without fancy solos and a bass player, dats teh troof.

No, they just don't sound good, I don't think.

Drums seem to be predestined to play something simplistic to keep everything else grounded. Crazyness seems to prevent people from connecting.

I don't know, im leaving the door open for violent assault against me, but thats just what I feel. Complex drumming more often than not equates to bad drumming.

*ahem* the mars volta are all about drums as far as i'm concerned....their drummer is a god!!

^very true. what im getting from this is that the drumming has to match the music.

i mean...if you had meg white playing drums for a band like the mars volta, well they would obviously not be as good, and their sound would suffer hugely. but say you put the mars volta's drummer in place of meg white. that band would surely have quite a different sound, and it wouldnt be the white stripes as we know it. so it sounds like the conclusion we're arriving at is that (and i think this may have been stated) the drummer makes the band.

you try maintaining a solid drum beat for 3+ minutes.

I was joking. :laughing: :nono:

I actualy agree with you, though you will probably piss off many drummers whose goal is to drum like Mike Portnoy.

I think complex drumming only works for complex music, which The White Stripes dont do, so complex drumming is very un needed, i was merely mocking those who think bands have to be very skilled to be considered good musicians, and more importantly a good band.

Listen to Helter Skelter, Ringo goes out on his way just to keep up with everybody else.

Ringo isnt very good technicaly, hell my brother is more technical on drums, but the main thing is Ringo was a very important ingredient to The Beatles, and thats all that really matters because The Beatles own all these lame power metal bands with technical drummers, id rather listen to Ringos simple drumlines than a boring 3 minute solo from Ian Paice.

that's all you got? one could probably train a monkey to do just that...
and to anyone bitching about meg white's drumming, i agree with perfection, if it was someone else, it wouldn't be the white stripes we all know and love....she does a perfect job....

you specialise in contradicting yourself dont you. you say ringo's drumming is crap because its so simple and easy, yet you praise meg white for doing just the same? and you seem to completely underestimate the difficulty in keeping a drum beat, the coordination between the foot operating the bass drum and the hands using the sticks has to be perfect throughout.

correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't think white's drumming is even near lollipop...it's hard ass....maybe simple...but still, she does the trick....i think anyone could have replaced ringo and noone would have known the difference....white's asketic yet hard drumming is what makes the white stripess so great ( along with the amazing guitar work from mr. white of course )...oh, i don't think ringo's drumming was crap...i just think it's nothing special....

Ringo was a good drummer, he just gets slammed a lot because he's in a band with fricking John Lennon, Paul McCartney, and George Harrison. :P

:whythis:

Yeah because we all know that every Beatles song is lolipop sh*t, just listen to Helter Skelter or I Want You (Shes So Heavy), those could have been Backstreet Boys songs. :rolleyes:

Yeah. Thank God for Bob Dylan introducing them to the almighty dope.

I agree. Ringo played what the music needed, not some over-drumming bull**** like a lot of players tend to do.

since when has it been such an artform to it the drums hard? if your saying anyone can do ringo's job, then the same can be said for meg white. and this misconception you have of the beatles being lollipop is both ignorant and stupid, have a deeper understanding of a band before you go labelling their music, you only look foolish if you dont.

sheesh, a person can't even make half-assed, unbacked statements on this forum without being called out on it anymore. i suppose i'll have to get that sgt.peppers album everyone is talking about. but i just have a thing against the beatles i suppose. and fair enough, if ringo can be replaced, so can meg white, i never said she was a fantastic drummer, she doesn't have the muscle to be really great, i just think she has a specific style, one that any good drummer can undoubtedly immitate without breaking a sweat...probably even ringo.....i still don't think ringo was anything special...

With the exception of Keith Moon.^

boo boo; Helter Skelter is a superb example of Ringo's drumming abilities.
At the end of which Ringo can be heard to scream "I've got blisters on my fingers".
Another good example of his competence, 'Tomorrow Never Knows.'

Personally I believe Ringo was overlooked (due to the talents of the others) and was a far better drummer than he was given credit for.

Brilliant, no. Definitely above average.

adidasss...get the album and go suck a lollipop. ;)

Moons style was much more intense and wild than it was complex, in fact he was rather sloppy at times, hes still one of the greatest.

On Ringo, i wouldnt call him great, but he is a good drummer dispite what anyone says, his drumming on Come Together for example, its so subtle but its brillant.

How could Ringo be categorized as a crap drummer? He never ****s up, he keeps the beat, and the music doesn't really call for anything else. I realize this is just me, but I never really listen to the Beatles and think, "Oh, Ringo should've played a nice, rolling fill there." I personally don't see how he can be criticised. Even if he doesn't play enough fills for someone's tastes, that doesn't make him a bad drummer, if anything it just makes him boring. I suppose you could call boring bad, but I'd rather be a boring bad than a losing the beat, throwing everyone off bad.