Overrated (jazz, old music, rock, beatles, pink floyd)

boo boo · 02-05-2006, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jazzfromhell

Saying Led Zeppelin took some ideas off of blue artists is like saying Green Day took some ideas off of seventies/early eighties punk bands. Seriously, on the technical side, there was very, very little originality in Led Zeppelin, except for John Bonham. However, they had a totally distinct style, which is what makes them a great band and not a bunch of lame blues ripper-offers. I would definitely not say they are overrated, although they are severely discredited with certain ideas, by most people.

They werent too original no, but neither were The Rolling Stones, since they often did the same things people accuse Led Zeppelin of doing, like reusing the sound of old blues musicians and giving it a extra punch, The Stones even did it more consistantly....Its not like blues rock was all that Zeppelin did, they have MANY good songs that dont really fall into the blues rock category.

Im not bashing The Stones, dont get me wrong, i think they're great.

jazzfromhell · 02-05-2006, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

They werent too original no, but neither were The Rolling Stones, since they often did the same things people accuse Led Zeppelin of doing, like reusing the sound of old blues musicians and giving it a extra punch, The Stones even did it more consistantly....Its not like blues rock was all that Zeppelin did, they have MANY good songs that dont really fall into the blues rock category.

Im not bashing The Stones, dont get me wrong, i think they're great.

Yeah, I agree with all that, that's what I'm saying. It wasn't technical originality that made Led Zeppelin great, it was their style of playing. And yeah, they had plenty of non-blues songs, but those weren't the kind of thing people hadn't heard before. Not to say that they weren't great songs.

boo boo · 02-05-2006, 11:59 PM

Dunno, i think Ten Years After and Song Remains The Same were very original songs, Kashmir too.

jazzfromhell · 02-06-2006, 12:21 AM

I suppose so for the first two; Kashmir, although a great song, sort of sounds like the riff was just taken out of some classical song (none in particular) and repeated over and over again (but there I go contradicting myself from earlier, saying that classical hasn't influenced rock).

boo boo · 02-06-2006, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jazzfromhell

I suppose so for the first two; Kashmir, although a great song, sort of sounds like the riff was just taken out of some classical song (none in particular) and repeated over and over again (but there I go contradicting myself from earlier, saying that classical hasn't influenced rock).

Classical has certainly influenced progressive rock, some fractions of it anyway, primarly Symphonic Prog.

jazzfromhell · 02-06-2006, 12:35 AM

Yeah, that's what I said in my earlier post. But outside of that, what's it influenced (not trying to imply it hasn't influenced any of it, I'm curious)? I suppose there's a bunch of metal that has some classical influences, is there anything else?

TheBig3 · 02-06-2006, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by bungalowbill357

You sure? I own Led Zep I, Led Zep II, Led Zep III, How The West Was Won, and best of the early days. I have heard plenty of Led Zeppeling, and they suck. And you are right, Blues musicians do recycle riffs. And it gets old. Zeppelin recycles riffs, and they don't even do it well. They suck. Seeing as how I don't agree with you, I must be an idiot. Oh well, you tell me that I have bad taste, and then you go and put on an Emerson Lake and Palmer album.....

You own how many albums and think they suck? Are you kidding? It's Febuary, April 1st is ways away sir.

TheBig3 · 02-06-2006, 12:42 AM

Also I don't want to come off as a Zep fan boi here, but this is the same argument used every time.

Did Led Zep rip off their country riffs? Or their Folk riffs? or how about that salsa jam in the middle of Fool in the rain?

I don't ask much, I just ask that you educate yourself enough to speak intelligently. Maybe im asking to much, so if I am, please refrain from "recycling" the same garbage a million other posters here stated. The newbs need the help, you regulars should know better.

jazzfromhell · 02-06-2006, 12:50 AM

I didn't say that they ripped off the specific riffs of the folk or country or salsa stuff, but it's not like the style had never been used before, but they ripped off the style. And that's fine, because everyone rips off someone else in some way, and Led Zeppelin kicked ass while doing it. However, they shouldn't be credited as original for writing folk songs or mixing latin rhythms into their music.

boo boo · 02-06-2006, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

Also I don't want to come off as a Zep fan boi here, but this is the same argument used every time.

Did Led Zep rip off their country riffs? Or their Folk riffs? or how about that salsa jam in the middle of Fool in the rain?

I don't ask much, I just ask that you educate yourself enough to speak intelligently. Maybe im asking to much, so if I am, please refrain from "recycling" the same garbage a million other posters here stated. The newbs need the help, you regulars should know better.

I dont think Bungalowbill will be a regular anymore.

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02-06-2006, 12:21 AM	#34 (permalink)
jazzfromhell SHAKE! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: On the A train. Posts: 205	I suppose so for the first two; Kashmir, although a great song, sort of sounds like the riff was just taken out of some classical song (none in particular) and repeated over and over again (but there I go contradicting myself from earlier, saying that classical hasn't influenced rock).

02-06-2006, 12:35 AM	#36 (permalink)
jazzfromhell SHAKE! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: On the A train. Posts: 205	Yeah, that's what I said in my earlier post. But outside of that, what's it influenced (not trying to imply it hasn't influenced any of it, I'm curious)? I suppose there's a bunch of metal that has some classical influences, is there anything else?

02-06-2006, 12:50 AM	#39 (permalink)
jazzfromhell SHAKE! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: On the A train. Posts: 205	I didn't say that they ripped off the specific riffs of the folk or country or salsa stuff, but it's not like the style had never been used before, but they ripped off the style. And that's fine, because everyone rips off someone else in some way, and Led Zeppelin kicked ass while doing it. However, they shouldn't be credited as original for writing folk songs or mixing latin rhythms into their music.