Lucem Ferre

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Wait is that legit? **** a Joker origin story. He's a comic book interpretation of mythological trickster gods. His past doesn't matter. The only real time they ever delved into his backstory the writer explicitly said that this story wasn't necessarily canon because the Joker remembers nothing before becoming the Joker and he prefers his past to be "multiple choice".

That whole bit in The Dark Knight with the Joker telling multiple stories about how he got his scars was a canon-style representation of how he remembers his past. His past is whatever amuses him in the moment. But whatever he remembers in that moment is real to him in that moment. Or not. He doesn't care. All he cares about is what he is right the **** now, which is the Joker. The Joker is not a real person. I don't want an origin movie. Or at the very least, I don't want an origin movie that treats itself like an origin movie.

An origin movie that's a schizophrenic madhouse that's confusing to the audience could be ****ing fantastic, but I don't think the studio that brought us Man of Steel and Suicide Squad has that kind of movie in them.

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Penguin Origins

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aka Batman Returns

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I thought the scarlet cape or what ever where he was a failing comedian and he falls into toxic waste was canon. And he goes crazy when he sees his reflection. Or is that the one where he says it's not canon.

Edit: Either way, I don't think this movie will be canon for anything with how inconsistent they are with world building. Kinda how they're going to treat Venom and the last two Spiderman movie universes.

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The failed comedian thing is what is considered kinda sorta canon because it was the origin story by exactly the idea I was talking about in The Killing Joke. The Killing Joke specifically told that story. The "scarlet cape" was specifically The Red Hood origin wherein gangsters had some random patsy they'd give a red helmet and make him the ring leader but actually have the person be the guy who was supposed to take the fall. The character who would become the Joker was one of these people, a failed comedian who took the job to provide for his wife who was newly with child but was told just before the job had died in a freak accident with a toaster or something (reinforcing his idea of the world being chaos nonsense). Then he did the job and fell in a chemical vat that turned him into the Joker.

This story was also what I was talking about where he remembered this past but also revealed that this story was simply one in any number of possible pasts that he might remember at any time which might be just as feasible or be a complete fiction.

The reason this story was kinda sorta accepted as canon was simply because the story which that story revolved around has generally been considered to be the definitive Joker story, not because the origin story itself is important.

The Joker may or may not be a failed comedian. It doesn't matter. And the kinda sorta acceptance of this narrative is garbage and should be discarded as should any Joker origin story. The Joker shouldn't have an origin, and that aspect of The Killing Joke is the weakest aspect of that story and I imagine the writer would agree with me.

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An excerpt from the comic that "canonized" the comedian thing.

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Good thread.

Buenos:
Leaving Las Vegas
Adaptation
Wild at Heart
Bringing out the Dead

Raising Arizona is great but not because of his acting, which is expendable.

This interview is informative and unintentionally hilarious.



I heard Mandy was cool.

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“Pretty much just a bunch of estranged friends, each with their own brand of mid-life crisis, getting together for the funeral of a friend who slashed his wrists in the bathtub, and end up smoking pot, shooting the ****, and realizing just how ****ing boring life can become when you let your sense of fun and friendship slip away.”

If The Big Chill ever gets a Criterion release this needs to be the synopsis on the back cover.

ETA: It actually has a Criterion release. Well **** me.

Dude111

Yea he went downhill...... His best movie was REAL GENIUS and after that he became unfriendly and only in it for the $$$$$!!

I have tried to email him and he wont respond,its very sad........