Should Chula Stop Posting in the Trump Thread?

[Tristan_Geoff]

I'm 90% sure the LZ hate here comes from members making fun of your fanboyism and therefore taking jabs at it rather than bonafide hate of Led Zeppelin. Frownland even has a shirt for gawd sakes.

[Chula Vista]

I get it.

On a side note: The original picture of Shawn Lane used as my avatar had a cigarette poking out from the headstock of the guitar. About 10 years ago I photoshopped the cigarette out and posted the picture in a Shawn Lane forum I co-ran.

Now the original shot has basically vanished from the internet.

[Frownland]

Hendrix and heavy blues already happened before Zeppelin started. I think metal was just the next logical step that could've happened without Zeppelin but it's impossible to say.

[Chula Vista]

Originally Posted by Frownland

Hendrix and heavy blues already happened before Zeppelin started. I think metal was just the next logical step that could've happened without Zeppelin but it's impossible to say.

The difference maker for LZ1 was the combination of Plant's singing style and Bonham's thunderous drumming along with Page's production. When I got my first copy of it I noticed that the grooves ran right up to the record label - all of my other albums had at least a half inch of run-off space. The grooves even looked a bit wider and deeper than my other stuff.

That album sounded absolutely HUGE compared to stuff like Cream and Hendrix.

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by Chula Vista

You do realize that most of the metal music you enjoy might not have ever existed if not for Led Zeppelin exploding onto the scene at the start of the 70s? Black Sabbath's first album came out 13 months after LZ1. Deep Purple's In Rock also came out over a year after LZ1. No one in their right mind would say that both Sabbath and Purple weren't heavily influenced by LZ1 - as was just about every other heavy band that emerged in the 70s.

Go suck on that for a while.

That didn't make me like Led Zeppelin's first four albums any more. I was pretty surprised by how much I couldn't stand about half the songs on those albums. I mean, I've listened to Zeppelin albums before, but never really devoted any time to them, so I was expecting to at least be down with 30% of what I heard.

[Tristan_Geoff]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

That didn't make me like Led Zeppelin's first four albums any more. I was pretty surprised by how much I couldn't stand about half the songs on those albums. I mean, I've listened to Zeppelin albums before, but never really devoted any time to them, so I was expecting to at least be down with 30% of what I heard.

****ing the first album is Proto-Stoner Metal at times and I can't fathom how someone could dislike a SINGLE track off III or IV. Yet you somehow manage to.

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by Tristan Geoff

****ing the first album is Proto-Stoner Metal at times and I can't fathom how someone could dislike a SINGLE track off III or IV. Yet you somehow manage to.

They make boring white boy blues and I imagine that if they started now they'd make folk little better than Mumford and Sons and with a similar approach. Aside from that they insist on dragging songs on for far too long, and dragging them out with the most boring parts of the song. I've come around to the idea that punk was necessary to kill this kind of self-indulgent, unselfaware bull****.

[DwnWthVwls]

Originally Posted by Chula Vista

You do realize that most of the metal music you enjoy might not have ever existed if not for Led Zeppelin exploding onto the scene at the start of the 70s? Black Sabbath's first album came out 13 months after LZ1. Deep Purple's In Rock also came out over a year after LZ1. No one in their right mind would say that both Sabbath and Purple weren't heavily influenced by LZ1 - as was just about every other heavy band that emerged in the 70s.

Go suck on that for a while.

So black sabbath formed, created a LZ inspired album and had it on shelves in 13 months? I think you have to be around a lot longer than that to be a heavy influence.

[Tristan_Geoff]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

They make boring white boy blues and I imagine that if they started now they'd make folk little better than Mumford and Sons and with a similar approach. Aside from that they insist on dragging songs on for far too long, and dragging them out with the most boring parts of the song. I've come around to the idea that punk was necessary to kill this kind of self-indulgent, unselfaware bull****.

*shrug*

LZ plays "white boy blues" with tons more authenticity than about 75% of those ****ty whitewashed blues rock bands.

[Chula Vista]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

I've come around to the idea that punk was necessary to kill this kind of self-indulgent, unselfaware bull****.

100% agree with this although I have to quote something from a decades later review of Physical Graffiti: This album represents a time when dinosaurs walked the earth. And walked proudly.

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

So black sabbath formed, created a LZ inspired album and had it on shelves in 13 months? I think you have to be around a lot longer than that to be a heavy influence.

Factoid you may not know: The brilliant manager of Zep, Peter Grant, had advance pressings of LZ1 (shipped in plain white sleeves since the cover hadn't been designed yet) sent to all of the newly flourishing progressive FM radio stations months before the album hit the stores.

The immediate impact was overwhelming. FM back then could do whatever the hell they wanted and stations like WBCN in Boston would spin the entire album for days in a row. By the time LZ1 was officially released people were well aware of the band from the radio and their initial shows prior to the release of the album - 40 dates total, the first 31 being in Europe.

Everyone in the rock world was blown away long before you could buy the first album.