Is Everyone on MusicBanter At Least Just a Little Bit of an *******?

Black Francis · 03-04-2015, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Dylstew

I'm straight but the Batlord's new avatar is pretty hot.

He changed it to some artsy sh*t now..

Keanu is better than art.

The Batlord · 03-04-2015, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Francis

He changed it to some artsy sh*t now..

Keanu is better than art.

**** you artsy.

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Originally Posted by Black Francis

My man crushes are Hugh jackman and Clive owen.

You lose. The correct answer is Michael Fassbender

Black Francis · 03-04-2015, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

**** you artsy.

No, **** YOU and metal in general..

Go ahead, tell me what specific of genre of metal that was , Drone metal? progressive metal? Metal metal??

it all sounds the same..

The Batlord · 03-04-2015, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Francis

No, **** YOU and metal in general..

Go ahead, tell me what specific of genre of metal that was , Drone metal? progressive metal? Metal metal??

it all sounds the same..

It's grindcore. I know it can be hard to tell the difference between that and drone metal, but it'll come with time. I'm making fun of you by the way.

Grindcore

Drone Metal

RoxyRollah · 03-04-2015, 11:43 AM

Man crush?

Black Francis · 03-04-2015, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah

Man crush?

Not really, but i do think there's an adonis quality in his features..

Paula abdul knew this

My man crushes are Hugh jackman and Clive owen.

Black Francis · 03-04-2015, 12:48 PM

ive liked all the vids you posted but there is just something very redundant in metal for my taste, i like it in small doses for its intensity for exmpl that Napalm death song was great but i can't handle listening to that sh*t all day..

The Batlord · 03-04-2015, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Francis

ive liked all the vids you posted but there is just something very redundant in metal for my taste, i like it in small doses for its intensity for exmpl that Napalm death song was great but i can't handle listening to that sh*t all day..

I think the main issue with people who aren't well-versed in certain genres is that they haven't developed the ear or the experience to tell the difference. To me, death metal like Suffocation sounds nothing like black metal such as Mayhem.

Death Metal

Black Metal

I can understand a non-metal initiate not being able to tell the difference, but to me the differences are totally obvious. I would almost never confuse '90s black metal with '90s death metal (Though certain bands did still take influences from both genres.)

Another thing you have to understand is that many of these genres (like thrash, black, death, and grindcore) evolved at the same time, and were influenced by many of the same bands in the eighties. Bands like Sodom played what is often called early black metal at first, but then "evolved" into a thrash metal band, while also having elements of what would become death metal. Before the genres really branched out in the '90s there could be only slight differences, mainly in their approach and what scene they happened to be a part of.

Early Sodom

Later Sodom

Thrash metal was heavily influenced by certain scenes, especially in New York and San Fransisco, with bands being "shown what to do" by groups that loosely defined the sounds of their respective areas. While black metal was very much a central and Scandinavian phenomenon due to bands like Celtic Frost, Bathory, and Venom who wouldn't have had as much influence in America simply due to geographical distance making cross-pollination less of an issue.

The aforementioned Sodom was German, along with scene mates like Kreator and Destruction. And since they were physically closer to Bathory (Sweden), Celtic Frost (Switzerland), Mercyful Fate (Denmark), and Venom (Britain) they had much more early black metal influence than the American bands.

But they were also developing a sound that was evolving around the same time period, and so there were still similarities (Especially after American thrash become so big, around which time the German bands started playing much more traditionally thrash music.)

So yeah, distinguishing certain strains of metal can be difficult at first, -- with certain sub-genre labels having been given in hindsight largely down to the bands and scenes they influenced the most -- and the earlier the bands the harder it is to draw decisive boundaries. Often early thrash/black/and death metal can almost be interchangeable, but over time the divisions became much more relevant.

Take an early black metal band like Sarcofago. They had a huge influence on Norwegian black metal (which was basically the scene which finally set black metal apart as its own separate genre), but they are just as much of a thrash band and early death metal band.

I'm sure you'd agree that indie genres like indie folk, dream pop, shoegaze, noise rock, etc can be hard to differentiate when you're not familiar with them due to their similar influences, but once you've put in the time listening to those genres the differences become much more apparent. (I listed those genres in order of differences, as obviously it's pretty easy to tell the difference between indie folk and noise rock).

**Janszoon** · 03-04-2015, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

I think the main issue with people who aren't well-versed in certain genres is that they haven't developed the ear or the experience to tell the difference. To me, death metal like Suffocation sounds nothing like black metal such as Mayhem.

Death Metal

Black Metal

I can understand a non-metal initiate not being able to tell the difference, but to me the differences are totally obvious. I would almost never confuse '90s black metal with '90s death metal (Though certain bands did still take influences from both genres.)

Another thing you have to understand is that many of these genres (like thrash, black, death, and grindcore) evolved at the same time, and were influenced by many of the same bands in the eighties. Bands like Sodom played what is often called early black metal at first, but then "evolved" into a thrash metal band, while also having elements of what would become death metal. Before the genres really branched out in the '90s there could be only slight differences, mainly in their approach and what scene they happened to be a part of.

Early Sodom

Later Sodom

Thrash metal was heavily influenced by certain scenes, especially in New York and San Fransisco, with bands being "shown what to do" by groups that loosely defined the sounds of their respective areas. While black metal was very much a central and Scandinavian phenomenon due to bands like Celtic Frost, Bathory, and Venom who wouldn't have had as much influence in America simply due to geographical distance making cross-pollination less of an issue.

The aforementioned Sodom was German, along with scene mates like Kreator and Destruction. And since they were physically closer to Bathory (Sweden), Celtic Frost (Switzerland), Mercyful Fate (Denmark), and Venom (Britain) they had much more early black metal influence than the American bands.

But they were also developing a sound that was evolving around the same time period, and so there were still similarities (Especially after American thrash become so big, around which time the German bands started playing much more traditionally thrash music.)

So yeah, distinguishing certain strains of metal can be difficult at first, -- with certain sub-genre labels having been given in hindsight largely down to the bands and scenes they influenced the most -- and the earlier the bands the harder it is to draw decisive boundaries. Often early thrash/black/and death metal can almost be interchangeable, but over time the divisions became much more relevant.

Take an early black metal band like Sarcofago. They had a huge influence on Norwegian black metal (which was basically the scene which finally set black metal apart as its own separate genre), but they are just as much of a thrash band and early death metal band.

I'm sure you'd agree that indie genres like indie folk, dream pop, shoegaze, noise rock, etc can be hard to differentiate when you're not familiar with them due to their similar influences, but once you've put in the time listening to those genres the differences become much more apparent. (I listed those genres in order of differences, as obviously it's pretty easy to tell the difference between indie folk and noise rock).

Is that you, Larehip?

Mondo Bungle · 03-04-2015, 01:49 PM

Shoegaze > dream pop

03-04-2015, 12:48 PM	#7 (permalink)
Black Francis Out of Place Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: in an abstract house Posts: 4,111	ive liked all the vids you posted but there is just something very redundant in metal for my taste, i like it in small doses for its intensity for exmpl that Napalm death song was great but i can't handle listening to that sht all day.. __________________ "Hey Kids you got to meet the MIGHTY PIXIES!"* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbRbCtIgW3A