Superman vs. Batman
 

Well?

P.S. Please don't add an anal beads option. It's a played out joke that's lame to the fifth power. I write this with full knowledge that you're going to do it regardless of what I say, so this is just a formal protest. :finger:

Edit: Super Anal Beads = boring.

You left out the only possible option that I could've honestly selected, that being supreme disinterest.

are you asking who we like more or who would win in a fight? I prefer Batman by a pretty significant margin.

there's kind of precedence for the latter (read the dark knight returns if you haven't. i'm assuming you have, batlord)

BTW Batty I'm with you on the anal beads, it's time to put it to bed.

It's an MB specific dad joke.

I'm really glad my dad has never joked about anal beads.

Batman all the way, I am gonna answer honestly as Batman is my all time favorite characters and up until the Chris Nolan movies he got the shaft... He is the man, there isn't anything he can't do with the right amount of cash, and ingenuity..Which makes him completely more accessible to common man,he is also deep rooted in revenge and that like it or lump it it is in everyone of our makeups as human beings...

Superman would be amazing if he actually spoke to the darkest parts of my psyche, but unfortunately it is all sunshine, rainbows, do-goody bull****, and red underpants...
All though a few years back they put out an else world series of Superman as a communist, that was pretty sick...Red Son.... But as my super hero no, I want one just as flawed and ****ed in the head as I am thank you very much....

This is what makes Batman so good to me. There's so much psychological trauma and motivation with Batman, and so often in his adventures he runs into ethical dilemmas - should he just kill Joker and end it all?

There's never any real worry that things could go wrong with Superman to me. There's no human aspect to him. Batman is amazing because you can relate to him and he's believable (to an extent).

High Five!

Batman all the way and twice on Sunday, but am I the only one who thinks the Nolan movies are overrated? Don't get me wrong, they were awesome, but they weren't brilliant by any margin. If it weren't for Heath Ledger's portrayal of the Joker those movies wouldn't have gotten nearly the attention they did.

And I could never take Christian Bale seriously as Batman or Bruce Wayne. Nothing against him, but as far as I'm concerned Kevin Conroy (voice actor from the nineties cartoon) is and always will be Batman. All others are a distant last place.

I haven't actually. For no apparent reason I never got into collecting actual comic books as a kid. I guess I just didn't live that close to a comic shop or something. Maybe it was my all-consuming Star Wars obsession that was immediately followed by my thrash metal obsession.

The thing with Conroy is that he has the voice down PERFECTLY but by physical appearance he doesnt look like what I'd imagine a real-life Bruce Wayne to look at all, so if he was cast as a live action Batman it would be a two-sided coin for me.

I liked Bale enough. His "deep voice" while he was Batman was too exaggerated for me, but he pulled off the handsome millionaire pretty well and was pretty effective at seeming like a badass with the suit on.


Well now is a great time to start! You can probably get every notable graphic novel (Arkham Asylum, The Long Halloween, Returns, Year One, probably a few others) for like 40 total dollars and all of it is just so awesome assuming you at least slightly enjoy reading comics in general.

Conrory was bomb as Batman's voice... and yes you are the only one.... I took Christan Bale more seriously then George Clooney

Well obviously he couldn't play a live-action Batman, but it doesn't change the fact that whenever I see Christian Bale or Michael Keaton (Val Kilmer and George Clooney don't count) I always measure them up against an actor who pretty much defined my idea of Batman as a kid. And not just in a nostalgia way either. He's just one of the most perfectly cast voice over roles in history.

I've started to actually. Unfortunately every time I go to Barnes and Noble the one I had found the other week is always gone. I got the Killing Joke a while ago though. It's kind of mind blowing just how influential such a short comic was on the Joker. I doubt the Dark Knight would have been the same movie without it.

The Killing Joke is probably my favorite thing I've ever read. So short, but so twisted and effective, and it pretty much defined the Joker and solidified himself in my eyes as the greatest villain in the history of fiction.

The thing that gets me is how they manage to give the Joker motivations that you kind of have to agree with at least just a little bit that make him seem almost human, and yet he's still quite possibly the only ever truly successful villain who is just evil for the sake of being evil. How Alan Moore pulled that off I have no idea.

Batman by a long way (is there anyone who didn't expect THE BATLORD's choice to be BATMAN?) ;) --- never liked Superman for pretty much most of the reasons given here. I mean, other than kryptonite, nothing stops him. He's a bloody machine. And he has zero personality. Also, he's the epitome of the American Dream. Puke.

BTW Batty if you venture into the world of comic books I mean graphic novels, you MUST try "Watchmen" and "V for Vendetta" --- never mind the movies, read the originals. You won't be disappointed, though you may need to order a new brain online, as your current one will just be fried!

http://0utsidetheframe.files.wordpre...hmen-cover.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._vendettax.jpg

He started his own business? ;)

This. Also, I highly recommend Moore's run on Swamp Thing. Some of my favorite comics ever written right there.

Yeah, **** Superman. He had a good cartoon in the nineties too, but only because it was done by the same people as Batman.

Already read Watchman, and yes it's fantastic. I don't know why you have anything against the movie though. The only thing really wrong with it was that faithfully adapting a serialized comic book of connected but still separate parts into a movie can make the whole thing seem to meander without any real direction. It made V for Vendetta almost unwatchable, but Watchman managed to do it well. And that's saying something for an almost three-hour movie.

Have you read Alan Moore's Swamp Thing run, Batty?

I'm still new to discovering comics, but I have heard of it.

Another Alan Moore venture I'd recommend taking is his run at the British Superman/ Captain Marvel knock off Marvelman, or Miracleman if your country is fat. It's pretty much ground zero for his ideas found in later comics like Watchmen.

His run on Swamp Thing was really good as well.

It's really worth your while. The whole thing in collected into 5 or 6 volumes.

I voted for Batman as well mostly because I'm sick of Superman and his origin story being told over and over again but Superman is getting raked over the coals unfairly so I'm going to make a case for him.

Superman appealed more to people that are loners and/or had to move a lot when they were growing up and they could relate more to being a stranger in a new place and having this secret past that you kept from other people. In the early days of Superman when he only had his super strength. He went after wife beaters, rapists and other demented characters and would kill them without thinking twice about it. Only later on in like the 50s is when they gave him the boy scout characteristics and took away his tough and aggressive side.

He might not have mommy and daddy issues but he's not perfect like everyone is trying to make him seem.

He had issues with feeling isolated and alone. With not really feeling like he is part of everyone that is around him until his cousin Supergirl came around and one or two other people but he was very tortured.

The Superman that you are thinking of when he was a communist is a great graphic novel called Superman:Red Son.

Superman has some pretty good graphic novels like Superman: For All Seasons, Earth One and Metropolis.

I love the art work from Metropolis.
http://cdn2.list25.com/wp-content/up.../Slide2022.jpg

http://wowcool.com/images/P/Voodoo.jpg One of my favorites, mainly cause it's a chick protagonist...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...m_hell_tpb.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...nightcover.jpg amazing art work...dunno why it speaks to me but it does...


http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/super...1/preacher.jpg everything about it is awesome...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...llets_vol1.jpg your welcome....

Don't necessarily have anything against the movie, but I hate the way they completely changed the ending. Made less sense, though they did at least keep the end scene where

Oh and Batty? Don't forget Dredd...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...rsed_Earth.jpg

Most of the other 2000AD graphic novels are great too, like Strontium Dog, Slaine and Halo Jones...

they needed to completely change the ending because it wouldn't translate well to film.

I agree with their decision to do so.

Bollocks. There's no reason why it wouldn't have worked. Just lazy.
I disagree with your agreement of their decision.

Yeah. He arrived on Earth with only fourteen Krypto-dollars and a dream to run his own chain of dry-cleaning shops. Today he's one of the ten richest men in America.

Only in the US of A!
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I found a really great explanation why through googling just now and it makes sense.

The most important part of it is the run time would have to be longer than it already is to properly set up and explain what was going on

How I spent my childhood in snow and all my teens in tow Dj... I have always related to being a stranger in a strange land brother... But Superman was created to give people hope, at a time when all hope was lost.. So I can identify more with Bruce Wayne, as a child, and as an adult, and the longing to change your past through your current actions...


How do you figure he never had parental issues man? He was "adopted" and you think that most adopted children don't struggle with it? Then add on the fact that you happen to be able to throw a tractor around, at some point you have to stop and think **** these ppl can't be my real parents...

That's why I liked Smallville the episodes where he would get all jacked outta his mind on the red kryptonite and he would, rob, ass kick, and just an all around dick... Because his struggle was more apparent, to me...

The struggle in Batmans, heart, soul, reeks in everything he does...Pushing the envelope of restraint on the human body, is apparent, the taking yourself from a man into something better is evident in every page...

Superman was born this way... (Well on our planet he is that way..) He doesn't have to try to be something more then, what he already is... What good is my hero if I can't relate to him?



I know, it's called Red Son silly goose... I said that already...

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7...7ldpo1_500.jpg classic...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...x-HouseofM.JPG Fukin righteous in every way...

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That's fine that you could relate to Batman more but I was speaking more to the fact of how others in this thread are trashing him for who he is without realizing he had issues as well that created angst.

He still has the added pressure of being responsible with the powers that he has while helping out the entire world. I could relate to Superman more especially now as an adult while I volunteer my time to help out my community and try to help them better their lives. Even while facing skeptism from the people you are trying to help that things will get better and has the possibility to.

Also post your graphic novel recs in this thread.

http://www.musicbanter.com/media/351...ic-novels.html

Just for the Allen Moore fans has anyone seen the documentary about him that came out a while ago... The Mindscape of Allen Moore... Anyone?

Nooo!

EDIT: NO FRED...NO...

Fuck comic books

whuuutt....?

You mean those Japanese comic books?

When I was a kid it was Zap/R Crumb that did the Fuck Comics

I have it, but haven't got round to watching it.
On another note, has anyone seen the Simpsons episode Alan Moore guest stars in? :D