You may think it offensive, but there is a point you may be missing in katsy's post. Ask yourself this: who rapes the most? If you would teach boys or girls not to rape, but not both, who should be taught in order to minimize rape in society?

I'm a guy too, but I can see the answer is males. So I'm not really that offended. It's not a crazy accusation to make and maybe boys should have some extra focus.

But I do think everyone should learn that it is not okay for anyone to touch them sexually without their consent and that it follows that they shouldn't touch others without consent. I also think more gender equality in general is good for society and helps reduce rape.

theres just so much i hate about all of this, tore. claiming that rape is the norm???? 'why dont we teach little boys not to rape?' society says rape is ok??

katsy are you a rape victim by chance?? I am shocked that anyone holds these thoughts and beliefs that you apparently do although maybe i would understand a little more if you have been raped. katsy you make it sound like 'society' just throws pro-rape propoganda in everyones face.

plus i got problems with the whole 'women portrayed as sex objects' thing. implying that society portrays women as only useful for sex. not the case IMO. and this is comin from someone who is admittedly misogynistic and sexist sometimes LOL. i just hate the tone of your posts, makin it sound like we live in a world where a bunch of guys are runnin around seekin out women to rape and nobody cares, is stoppin them, or is punishing them


actually i dont feel like goin back to edit my post now but i guess i am comin from a cultural perspective of the usa and its laws. maybe you live in a country with terrible laws, like shaira law (LOL what a joke) or some other backwards country.

I do not think any sensible person would think that there is even .0001% fault of victim in rape case. I do not know why that politician has expressed his view without thinking anything. We should respect women and at any time should not blame them for getting victimized.

Katsy, I believe FK agrees that "no" should be enough and if/when the male pushes anything past that, he is committing rape or sexual assault (depending on degree). I believe what FK is saying is that normal males who make a sexual advance on a lady will cease and desist once the woman has made it clear that she wants the advances to stop, and only males with a rapist mentality won't stop. I don't think you two are really that far apart on this. I think he could have worded it better.

And @ misspoptart, I really really respect you.

You are completely right and I agree with you. The tone of her posts come off as her just being as someone who hates males in general.

Not really Paul, She's basically saying that all men are willing to rape someone at some point in time and as a society we should be teaching little boys when they are growing up not to over step their boundaries and rape someone because men can't control themselves. That's exactly what it sounds like she is saying.

I do not hate men and I do not believe all males would rape, given the chance.

Sexual harassment is so common place. I do not think that 'men' can ever get what being a 'woman' in this society is like. The 'tone' of my posts is not meant to come from a place of being a man hater. I'm really not an awful person and I happen to enjoy more male friends than female ones.

If you truly look at the way women are perceived, the employment situations, laws, media, etc. Most affect women in a negative way--that's all. This puts women at a disadvantage. This is all goes back to gender roles and expectations. There is a great deal of research on why men rape-- and it does relate to gender roles/norms/society(all the above mentioned) and the social patriarch of men/women. So again, no most males will not rape given the chance. But it is males doing the raping and it is born out of a misogynistic culture.

And 216, f*ck you. It's none of your g*ddamn business if I was raped or not. That's out of line.

I've been avoiding this thread since it's triggering to me because it's happened to be me and I'm really glad you're posting in here, just because I knew someone like 216 would feel that cute white boy entitlement to your sexual history. As if one has to be a victim of something to know it's wrong.

So :clap: for you. For this whole post. Rape culture is very real and permeates so much of our media it's horrific.

wow look at you edgy feminists standing up for your rights against the evil man who dared ask a simple personal question!!! a simple "sorry but that's none of your business" or "i dont feel comfortable answering that" would have done perfectly, but why say that when you have an opportunity to make yourself a victim?? keep make believing that you're some sort of social martyr and victim because you have a twat between your legs. i am certainly not apologizing whatsoever for just asking a completely relevant question lol. get off your pedestal and cut the fake outrage

as for women being at a disadvantage in employment and when it comes to laws, ill be the first to call BS on that. the pay gap is not what women make it out to be and the laws certainly aren't slighted against women whatsoever. have you not paid attention at all when it comes to anything child or divorce related (custody, alimony, child support, etc)???

funny how you use feminism as an insult. wanting equal rights must make us horrible people amirite guys lmao

are you not getting any pussy?

it has nothing to do with equal rights because i don't think that's the endgame. by definition i think most of the US society is a feminist because i believe the strong majority of people want equal rights, myself included. it's those who proclaim so outwardly their feminism that i have an issue with because i think they are extremists who love nothin more than to act like a victim at any opportunity and stand on their soapbox and tell anyone who will listen how super oppressed they are by society and down trodden by the man. that dish comes with a huge side of exageration and hyperbole too.

i asked a legit question and i am met with that type of response. i never implied that only a rape victim would know it's wrong lol. but it is compeltely reasonable to ask the question because it pertains to the topic and i wanted to know if personal experience playe dinto what i consider a jaded attitude towards the topic. but again, that was taken as nothin more than a chance to gain sympathy and play the part of victim fueled by pesudo outrage more than anything. you can frame it as an 'attack' or 'entitlement' or whatever other words you wanna use but by no means would i apologize for that question being asked

not surprisingly you ((for some reason)) mentioned a race?? seems pretty typical of you tho for whatever reason. go back to your SRS brigade where people will roll over and agree with you on everything

sounds like u jelly of all the pussy i get on here. is your game that bad? I could give you a few pointers if you want.

keep fishin girl, this fishy aint takin that bait lol

I'm using your logic, should I have photoshopped it across a pair of tits to make it more palatable?

sorry to dissapoint but im not bitin at the bait lol. i am discussin what is goin on in this thread and you are takin the train off the tracks which ive seen you do many times to many ppl, myself included a few times already. so again, keep fishin

the only thing i will add is that i feel the same towards male rights activists and their outward proclamation of their identification of MRAs. i hate those ppl too

You're the person who started derailig the thread, not Hermione.

Also, you don't just ask people if they've been raped. Do you always ask such personal questions to people you don't know? I honestly can't believe that you asked that question.

we can certainly disagree on that ((derailing the thread) but i think it was you who took a similar stance in another thread. and yes i do ask questions when i think they pertain to the topic im discussing. i gave examples of ways to handle it and they don't include "**** you' or claiming its some sort of entitlement to info cause i asked a relevant question. i was discussin the convo that developed in the thread not goin way off the tracks with "lmao lmao u jelly i get pussy!!' in consecutive posts which had nothing to do with anything other than tryin to bait me which i politely declined to bite at several times and will keep doin so

Why not? If we're to have an open, frank discussion that would serve to benefit anyone then why wouldn't you be able, rather encouraged to try to discuss with a victim the effects of the act itself or how rape could be prevented? If a person is sensitive to the memory, as well they can and deserve to be, then all they have to say is a simple "no, I don't want to talk about it". It's thinking like this that lead to so much miscommunication and misunderstanding with controversial topics like this.

There are two topics devoted to rape that are popular in the past few days, as a victim myself I've avoided even really reading them unless a post was called to my attention. It's not the most encouraging community to talk about such a horrible thing that probably affects a large portion of this community without being attacked/having it brought up in a totally different context, so why bother?

simple solution = dont talk about it. just dont be a jerkoff about it which is my point. i didnt demand by any means. I asked if she had been raped and you called that a "cute white boy entitlement to your sexual history" ((whatever that means lol)). that is just laughable on your part

anyways last page to respond to what tore said about teaching boys not to rape... yes of course i agree that should be taught. i took offense because i interpreted katsy as saying that we dont teach people not to rape....that it's not common for people to know that's wrong... that society fails at teaching boys it is wrong to rape women. and i dont think that's the issue - i have severe doubts that rapists dont realize it is wrong to rape.

men get raped too by males and females. when females rape men, the sentences are almost always ridiculously lenient in comparison, so there goes katsy's claim that laws are so anti-women. just because its less common for men to be raped doesnt mean it doesnt exist in large numbers too

lmao
first of all, wasn't nobody talking to your ass. I was replying to someone else. I'm not female. I'm AFAB & agender

Trans* people have a higher rate of sexual assault than cisgender people. If you care so much about rape, you'd know trans*women actually are most commonly victims of rape and murder. But since you probably are too thick too consider them women, you don't count them as a point for your victim score. Lol.

And don't talk about it? Don't ask about it. That's the whole ****ing point, you are a man who thinks he's entitled to that kind of knowledge, which is what rape culture is all about.

It's REALLY NOT THAT HARD

What else is funny: the laws ARE NOT just anti-woman, they are also transphobic, just like most laws cause let's see

I'm sure you're familiar with the Trayvon Martin case, where a white child molester was allowed to murder someone just cause he was black.

How about these:
Murder of Gwen Araujo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <---- one of many many many many many many many cases

Not only that but: CeCe McDonald - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In jail for defending herself against some crusty ass white boys high on meth and imprisoned in the wrong prison b/c of her being trans*.

Not only that but:
Marissa Alexander Gets 20 Years For Firing Warning Shot (VIDEO)

Defending herself from her abusive husband, she fired a warning shot, hurt nobody, gets 20 years under the same defense the white child molester used.

Tell me again how laws are totally exempt from ever being racist/sexist again.


Go ahead and cry about how I shouldn't "be a dick about" my experiences, lmao I know I have to cater to white ****boys to make my life relevant 2 them but damn this **** ridiculous. I have every right to tell you to go **** yourself, as did katsy for thinking you're entitled to know such a thing. That's why I said wow you're not getting any pussy THAT'S THE JOKE. I mean I know some people aren't really cultured enough really recognise satire when they see it but damn white boy you got that **** on lock. I didn't know hurting your feelings was more srs bidness than rape. Lmao

nobody has to be directly talkin to me for me to respond, that is kind of the point of a message board lol.

and your replies are so full of assumptions and twisting of words, it is truly disgusting because you either just miss the points completely or purposely twist the narrative into whatever you want it to be just so you can argue


first off i couldnt care less what you consider yourself whether its male, female, tranny, gay, pansexual, an alien, whatever. its very obvious you are totally self absorbed but i dont think others even care, i know i dont.

i invite everyone to go back and read exactly what has gone on here. exactly 1 time i asked the question if someone was a rape victim. i didnt say it in a negative tone or a making-fun-of tone or anything. it wasnt a demand by ANY means. and now several times you've tried to make it seem otherwise. i would hope ppl here are smart enough to see that but again, i invite anyone followin this stupid ordeal to go back and read for yourself.

and again, i would like to know how u keep arriving at this conclusion based on a single question i asked. im not bein rhetorical here, how are u comin to this conclusion?? where did i act entitled by simply asking a question

AGAIn totally twisting my words or flat out making them up to support whatever narrative youre going for..... i never said laws arent exempt from being sexist towards women or that it never happens. i could easly cite hundreds of rape cases involving women raping boys/men that the laws were heavily slighted against the man.

the way you just described the trayvon martin case above really shows me how completely delusional and out of touch with reality you are.

Tranny is a slur, idiot. Do you also use the n word to describe black people?

of course not. then change my use of tranny to whatever term isnt offensive. i considered it a shortening of transexual and wasnt tryin to be snarky of offensive with that. then again you just called me a fudgepacker the other day sooo im not sure how much you truly care about slurs

Do you know what a google is

a google
you know
on the internet

do you know what a gay is
i'm a gay

you really actually genuinely are the worst debater on musicbanter, like I am astounded at how much you lack the forethought and self awareness to even talk about LITERALLY ANYTHING yet feel yourself an INDEFINITE AUTHORITY ON IT, like I'm actually astounded people like this exist, in real life.

bait not taken again, this is gettin old. also i dont care u are gay, i still think its hypocritical to call someone a fudgepacker then get angry at a sexual slur.

I also call myself a slut
wow dude really google **** it's not that hard

I'm a ****ing AFAB AGENDER PERSON
NO ONE KNOWS UNLESS I TELL THEM BECAUSE I HAVE A VAGINA, AND I DRESS FEMININE

I still think it's hypocritical to do this non-stop whining routine when you could just google **** instead of think you're the absolute authority on everything when honestly you know next to nothing.

i admit right now im no authority and dont stand for anyone other than myself. i have zero problem with that, im sorry if u came to another conclusion. i dont even want to represent anyone other than myself it seems like its you who is sayin that, not me. i dont consider it whining. if i did, im not sure what id consider what youre doin lol, but im just tryin to discuss on here which is the whole point

again, dont care you're afab agender or whatever, its not relevant to me.

Except you're calling me a hypocrite for calling you out for using a slur
I admit to being what the slur embodies
that doesn't give you the right to call me whatever you want without getting checked
I see now that you probably use the n word irl and think it's cool.

ANOTHER ridiculous assumption by you. this is borderline insane, i cant tell if ur trollin or not caus ei dont know you well enough or if you really believe your own madness. how did you come to that conclusion?? i am not racist at all and would never say the n word.

and yes i am callin you a hypocrite. if you want to 'check' people ((lol)) then make sure u arent doin the same exact thing or you might get called out too


plus i just told you i didnt mean it as a slur

you won't stop crying lmao and you're going to call me "crazy" (cute though btw, I have a mental illness) like it's okay? lmao!!! I can't believe they let you near children. Just stop whining.

Aight I'm done

another ridiculous over reaction by you. i think that only works over at your SRS brigade. and good, glad youre done now we cna let it rest

http://media.tumblr.com/2a24b12ac382...Q9A1qz4rgp.gif

CrazyVegn telt me some interesting things, so it's not an assumption.

bait denied sorry

Source: USC Student: Police Said I Wasn't Raped Because He Didn't Orgasm

I don't understand why he thinks it's not rape just because the attacker stopped mid rape and didn't orgasm. What!? :bonkhead:

That's the dumbest thing I have ever read...wow.

Also I thought this was a ridiculously soft ball question with an obvious answer, but there's some legitimate debate. Fascinating. (I obviously picked that it's not the victim's fault)

And I thought cops here were big on slut shaming and victim blaming, all that ****. These guys have brought it to a whole new level.

why the hell would you blame the victims in rape? the blame is always on the person committing the rape. it's just bloody stupid how in some countries, you cannot be arrested for committing rape unless you admit or have witnesses, because of their bloody religion and stupid beliefs.

I'll play devil's advocate here:

Go to 4:20-5:30ish


This is the mentality that gets innocent people imprisoned.. Regret =/= lack of consent. You can't just withdraw consent after the act is over.

If you don't say "no" to it, and let it happen, especially if you have the power to say no and get away, you aren't allowed to play the victim card. That goes for both genders.

Nice.