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Cuthbert 07-13-2013 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by CrazyVegn (Post 1344074)
^Not enough life experience, son. :p
Oh you.

http://i.imgur.com/8bGmX.gif

:)

misspoptart 07-13-2013 05:29 PM
Honestly I don't have much left to say about the topic. It seems like those who have chosen to comment on my posts are really more interested in bashing men who they consider to be below them because they made the mistake of misreading a woman's social cues. Also how any of you can claim to know more about it...unless you've been raped or have raped... I think you're just playing the holier-than-thou card. Yep... I am a dumb slut and he was a complete criminal. Is that what you want me to say? :eyeroll:

Burning Down 07-13-2013 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by misspoptart (Post 1344114)
Honestly I don't have much left to say about the topic. It seems like those who have chosen to comment on my posts are really more interested in bashing men who they consider to be below them because they made the mistake of misreading a woman's social cues. Also how any of you can claim to know more about it...unless you've been raped or have raped... I think you're just playing the holier-than-thou card. Yep... I am a dumb slut and he was a complete criminal. Is that what you want me to say? :eyeroll:
Your posts sort of insinuated that you think it's usually the victim's fault, in general not just in your situation. Perhaps I misinterpreted but it doesn't look like I'm the only one who did.

Cuthbert 07-13-2013 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Burning Down (Post 1344117)
Your posts sort of insinuated that you think it's usually the victim's fault, in general not just in your situation. Perhaps I misinterpreted but it doesn't look like I'm the only one who did.
Not having a go but how did you come to that conclusion? 'Usually' the victim's fault?

Anyway seeing as we were discussing rights to anonymity earlier in the thread, this seems a good a place to post as any. Manchester Evening News are at it again:

Picture released of man wanted in connection with rape of woman in Manchester city centre - Manchester Evening News

This lad's reputation is now fucked forever guilty or not.

According to one prominent feminist piece of shit who I can't be arsed Googling at the minute this will do him good because she reckons men benefit from being falsely accused of rape. (That's if it is false.)

djchameleon 07-13-2013 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Burning Down (Post 1344117)
Your posts sort of insinuated that you think it's usually the victim's fault, in general not just in your situation. Perhaps I misinterpreted but it doesn't look like I'm the only one who did.
No, her posts are just about her situation and how she feels like she was partly responsible not that it's the victim's fault.

This is typical behavior for someone that has been raped to feel guilty about it and second guess what they could have done to change the situation.

Burning Down 07-13-2013 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Fluffy Kittens (Post 1344119)
Not having a go but how did you come to that conclusion? 'Usually' the victim's fault?

Anyway seeing as we were discussing rights to anonymity earlier in the thread, this seems a good a place to post as any. Manchester Evening News are at it again:

Picture released of man wanted in connection with rape of woman in Manchester city centre - Manchester Evening News

This lad's reputation is now fucked forever guilty or not.

According to one prominent feminist piece of shit who I can't be arsed Googling at the minute this will do him good because she reckons men benefit from being falsely accused of rape. (That's if it is false.)
That's not my own opinion though. It's me trying to understand someone else's opinion.

CrazyVegn 07-13-2013 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Burning Down (Post 1344117)
Your posts sort of insinuated that you think it's usually the victim's fault, in general not just in your situation. Perhaps I misinterpreted but it doesn't look like I'm the only one who did.
:clap:

butthead aka 216 07-13-2013 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Fluffy Kittens (Post 1344119)
Not having a go but how did you come to that conclusion? 'Usually' the victim's fault?

Anyway seeing as we were discussing rights to anonymity earlier in the thread, this seems a good a place to post as any. Manchester Evening News are at it again:

Picture released of man wanted in connection with rape of woman in Manchester city centre - Manchester Evening News

This lad's reputation is now fucked forever guilty or not.

According to one prominent feminist piece of shit who I can't be arsed Googling at the minute this will do him good because she reckons men benefit from being falsely accused of rape. (That's if it is false.)

god i hate feminists. head on over to reddit's /srs section to find complete idiots like that. they dont want equality.

anyways with poptarts situation i think i am understanding better than some people. ive been in situations like that. if you go home with a girl it kinda expected you are gonna get laid. i would be lying if i said i hadnt tried to persuade a girl from having sex in similar situations. if she outright says no thats one thing but if she gives you the 'im not sure' vibe but is still kissing you, then you **** her without explicit consent then you're technically a rapist and i dont think thats worthy of ike 25 yrs in prison

djchameleon 07-13-2013 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 216 (Post 1344126)
god i hate feminists. head on over to reddit's /srs section to find complete idiots like that. they dont want equality.

anyways with poptarts situation i think i am understanding better than some people. ive been in situations like that. if you go home with a girl it kinda expected you are gonna get laid. i would be lying if i said i hadnt tried to persuade a girl from having sex in similar situations. if she outright says no thats one thing but if she gives you the 'im not sure' vibe but is still kissing you, then you **** her without explicit consent then you're technically a rapist and i dont think thats worthy of ike 25 yrs in prison
Other people understand, they just choose to sit up on their high horses and pass judgement regardless of the situation because everything is black and white for them.

Cuthbert 07-13-2013 06:27 PM
I just read all of misspoptart's posts in the thread again, no way did she insinuate it's the victim's fault in general. She only spoke about herself ffs :D :confused:

Trollheart 07-13-2013 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by misspoptart (Post 1344114)
Honestly I don't have much left to say about the topic. It seems like those who have chosen to comment on my posts are really more interested in bashing men who they consider to be below them because they made the mistake of misreading a woman's social cues. Also how any of you can claim to know more about it...unless you've been raped or have raped... I think you're just playing the holier-than-thou card. Yep... I am a dumb slut and he was a complete criminal. Is that what you want me to say? :eyeroll:
I don't think anyone implied you were dumb... :rofl:

Sear-eee-uss-lee, mpt you're one of my favourite posters and if someone hurt you I don't give a **** if you see it as partially your fault, I'm on a plane to Israel to beat the crap out of him. Which is unfortunate, as you live in Turkey, don't you? Shoot! Turn this plane around pilot! Don't **** with me: I have witty innuendo and I'm not afraid to use it!

MPT, you deserve a bear...
http://www.carrollsirishgifts.com/im.../l_irlBear.jpg

Yeh I know it's huge: just an indication of how much I think of you...

#000000 07-13-2013 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Fluffy Kittens (Post 1344119)
Not having a go but how did you come to that conclusion? 'Usually' the victim's fault?

Anyway seeing as we were discussing rights to anonymity earlier in the thread, this seems a good a place to post as any. Manchester Evening News are at it again:

snip

This lad's reputation is now fucked forever guilty or not.

According to one prominent feminist piece of shit who I can't be arsed Googling at the minute this will do him good because she reckons men benefit from being falsely accused of rape. (That's if it is false.)
(Link snipped because otherwise it won't let me post.)

In some jurisdictions if you're a suspect in a serious crime, law enforcement will try to find you by any means. We don't know what's going on behind-the-scenes but I believe that they usually only divulge names or pictures if they can't find the person through any other means like finding them at home or asking their family and friends.

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Originally Posted by 216 (Post 1344126)
god i hate feminists. head on over to reddit's /srs section to find complete idiots like that. they dont want equality.

anyways with poptarts situation i think i am understanding better than some people. ive been in situations like that. if you go home with a girl it kinda expected you are gonna get laid. i would be lying if i said i hadnt tried to persuade a girl from having sex in similar situations. if she outright says no thats one thing but if she gives you the 'im not sure' vibe but is still kissing you, then you **** her without explicit consent then you're technically a rapist and i dont think thats worthy of ike 25 yrs in prison
Have you tried seeing the situation from the perspective of the girls you take home, though? Women are often taught that they need to live up to that expectation of sex or think it's rude if they get second-thoughts and say no. If she's giving you the "I don't know" vibe maybe it's just better to stop. It's not just about explicit consent but enthusiastic consent as well, a "yes" that is exorted from a girl isn't really consent but her being afraid that you're going ahead anyway or of being considered rude.

I don't know, if someone I'm kissing gives me the "I don't know if I want to have sex" vibe we just keep kissing if that's ok and if not we just stop. I'd rather have sex with someone who is just into it as I am than have sex with someone who isn't sure about the situation.

misspoptart 07-14-2013 12:43 AM
Thanks TH, DJ, Fluffy, and 216, for not only actually trying to see from my POV but also speaking candidly. I sympathize with both the vitims and the rapists in some situations, and although I don't think it's generally the victim's "fault" as BD so brazenly suggested, I do think the victim's actions could damage the rapist more than the rap...ee (?).

Thanks for the bear, TH, but really, as I've said, it was no big deal. I'm ok with what happened, it was a learning experience that I'm grateful for, in a way. The main lesson is that men like that exist. If it happens again, I'll act wiser.

Cuthbert 07-14-2013 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by #000000 (Post 1344214)
(Link snipped because otherwise it won't let me post.)

In some jurisdictions if you're a suspect in a serious crime, law enforcement will try to find you by any means. We don't know what's going on behind-the-scenes but I believe that they usually only divulge names or pictures if they can't find the person through any other means like finding them at home or asking their family and friends.
Like you say, we don't know what's going on but for the MEN to print his picture without knowing the full truth is just irresponsible.

They obviously know it too, because they've taken the picture down now. :rolleyes:

Good posts btw & welcome to the board. :)

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Have you tried seeing the situation from the perspective of the girls you take home, though? Women are often taught that they need to live up to that expectation of sex or think it's rude if they get second-thoughts and say no. If she's giving you the "I don't know" vibe maybe it's just better to stop. It's not just about explicit consent but enthusiastic consent as well, a "yes" that is exorted from a girl isn't really consent but her being afraid that you're going ahead anyway or of being considered rude.
Hard to argue with any of this, particularly agree w/ the bit in bold.

djchameleon 07-14-2013 06:03 AM
If she's giving you the idk sign it depends on how drunk you are because you will just go for it anyways. The more drunk/horny you are is what will determine how you perceive the whole "idk" point.

#000000 07-14-2013 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Fluffy Kittens (Post 1344318)
Like you say, we don't know what's going on but for the MEN to print his picture without knowing the full truth is just irresponsible.

They obviously know it too, because they've taken the picture down now. :rolleyes:

Good posts btw & welcome to the board. :)



Hard to argue with any of this, particularly agree w/ the bit in bold.
Yeah, I get where you're coming from but it's when it comes to serious crimes, law enforcement has to make difficult decisions. If a suspect has skipped town or mysteriously disappeared before you could get a name and picture, do you just let him go? Or do you try by any means you can to find him so you can proceed with the investigation?

It's an even more difficult choice because most of the time when it happens and it's that important to find people it's usually in serious crimes like rape or murder. Which means that if the person is innocent their reputation will be damaged but sometimes there isn't much choice.

I don't know about this specific case and jurisdiction but I know that many will only divulge names and information about people if they're officially suspects/people of interest with enough to tie them to the case. If it turns out they're innocent that sucks but what if they aren't and you're just letting someone go? It's difficult.

Maybe the guy ended up being cleared or else they found out some other way of tracking him down. It's freaky to think of a situation like that but I can also see the point behind it, if this makes sense.

Thanks :)



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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1344320)
If she's giving you the idk sign it depends on how drunk you are because you will just go for it anyways. The more drunk/horny you are is what will determine how you perceive the whole "idk" point.
Then... what about not going for it anyways? I don't know, I'm prone to getting drunk and horny myself but if my partner is giving those vibes then I just stop and call it a day. As to not perceiving it, maybe it's why clear communication with a sexual partner is important. Even if it's just a one-night stand, I try to make sure they know they can safely back out without getting insulted or forced into anything they don't want to do.

Scarlett O'Hara 07-14-2013 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by #000000 (Post 1344605)
Yeah, I get where you're coming from but it's when it comes to serious crimes, law enforcement has to make difficult decisions. If a suspect has skipped town or mysteriously disappeared before you could get a name and picture, do you just let him go? Or do you try by any means you can to find him so you can proceed with the investigation?

It's an even more difficult choice because most of the time when it happens and it's that important to find people it's usually in serious crimes like rape or murder. Which means that if the person is innocent their reputation will be damaged but sometimes there isn't much choice.

I don't know about this specific case and jurisdiction but I know that many will only divulge names and information about people if they're officially suspects/people of interest with enough to tie them to the case. If it turns out they're innocent that sucks but what if they aren't and you're just letting someone go? It's difficult.

Maybe the guy ended up being cleared or else they found out some other way of tracking him down. It's freaky to think of a situation like that but I can also see the point behind it, if this makes sense.

Thanks :)





Then... what about not going for it anyways? I don't know, I'm prone to getting drunk and horny myself but if my partner is giving those vibes then I just stop and call it a day. As to not perceiving it, maybe it's why clear communication with a sexual partner is important. Even if it's just a one-night stand, I try to make sure they know they can safely back out without getting insulted or forced into anything they don't want to do.
You sound like a really switched on and intelligent guy. I am definitely going to keep an eye out for your posts. How long have you been with your partner?

#000000 07-14-2013 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Vanilla (Post 1344619)
You sound like a really switched on and intelligent guy. I am definitely going to keep an eye out for your posts. How long have you been with your partner?
I'm not in a serious relationship right now because I'm happily single. Also because my life right now is chaotic (in a good way) as I've been moving around a lot, so I don't want to force anyone to adapt to my ways or be miserable.

When I said "partner" in my posts, I meant sexual partners in general - more casual relationships, or a potential future SO once my life settles down a bit.

djchameleon 07-14-2013 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by #000000 (Post 1344605)
Then... what about not going for it anyways? I don't know, I'm prone to getting drunk and horny myself but if my partner is giving those vibes then I just stop and call it a day. As to not perceiving it, maybe it's why clear communication with a sexual partner is important. Even if it's just a one-night stand, I try to make sure they know they can safely back out without getting insulted or forced into anything they don't want to do.
It is easy to say that now while you are sober and your judgement isn't impaired by alcohol.

#000000 07-14-2013 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1344657)
It is easy to say that now while you are sober and your judgement isn't impaired by alcohol.
That's why I said that you can, at the very least, make sure she knows she can safely back away without feeling pressured to do anything she doesn't want to do. And come on, "but I was drunk" isn't that great an excuse... I used to pick fights all the time when I got drunk, with some work you can change the way your drunk self acts. Plus if you know you're going to get like that, maybe be courteous and don't get drunk near your lady friends.

Then again, even when I'm drunk I'm not desperate enough to have half-hearted sex with someone who isn't really into it.

Guybrush 07-18-2013 03:21 PM
http://static.vg.no/uploaded/image/2...arte-d-203.jpg

Right now, there is a young Norwegian woman imprisoned in Dubai. She's been charged with consumption of alcohol without a license and for having sex outside the marriage.

So what's her story? She was on a work trip and was out partying with her colleagues. She woke up from being raped in a hotel room, but managed to escape. She ran to the reception and told them to call the police. The police came and put her in prison. Being Norwegian, the thought she could get imprisoned for reporting her getting raped never occurred to her.

This happened about four months ago and she's still there. She just got her sentence, one year and four months.

Edit :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marte_Dalelv_rape_incident

Newkie 07-18-2013 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by tore (Post 1346651)
http://static.vg.no/uploaded/image/2...arte-d-203.jpg

Right now, there is a young Norwegian woman imprisoned in Dubai. She's been charged with consumption of alcohol without a license and for having sex outside the marriage.

So what's her story? She was on a work trip and was out partying with her colleagues. She woke up from being raped in a hotel room, but managed to escape. She ran to the reception and told them to call the police. The police came and put her in prison. Being Norwegian, the thought she could get imprisoned for reporting her getting raped never occurred to her.

This happened about four months ago and she's still there. She just got her sentence, one year and four months.

Edit :

Marte Dalelv rape incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Obviously from a European/Western perspective it's absolute bull**** and there's barely any reasoning in that sentence, let alone justice.

However- this next comment might cut a bit close to the whole "can any blame be apportioned to the victim" thing because it's down that line of reasoning-but the fact that she was ignorant of the laws in a very different country from her own obviously worked against her. I'm not saying she should be expected to study Sharia Law extensively before her trip, but there are certain aspects of societies like these which I would expect to be almost common knowledge by now, namely their backward stance on rape and women's rights which obviously go hand in hand with deep rooted misogyny and gender bias.

Hopefully justice is done on her appeal, but (from the little of what I've seen on the case) it seems the best she can hope for is to go home after a few months in prison, rather than actually get the perpetrator/(s)? imprisoned themselves. Hardly justice.

Cuthbert 07-18-2013 04:49 PM
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the officers did not believe Dalelv, claiming that she consensually had sex with the man without being married, a crime under Emirati law, which is influenced by the Islamic sharia.
Islamic ideology in promoting rape shocker.

butthead aka 216 07-18-2013 05:02 PM
more reason for me to never travel abroad lol. that sucks and is unfair.


sharia law, what a joke

Cuthbert 07-18-2013 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by 216 (Post 1346680)
sharia law, what a joke
Not all Muslims are the same of course, it's Islam the ideology that promotes hatred and intolerance etc.

There are peaceful, tolerant Muslims but they aren't following the religion correctly.

This surah is talking about types of women a Muslim man is allowed to have sex with.

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Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.
"Those whom your right hands possess” is referring to women captured in battle, sex slaves.

Dr_Rez 07-18-2013 10:15 PM
Lets not turn this rape into a murder.

Astronomer 07-19-2013 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by tore (Post 1346651)
http://static.vg.no/uploaded/image/2...arte-d-203.jpg

Right now, there is a young Norwegian woman imprisoned in Dubai. She's been charged with consumption of alcohol without a license and for having sex outside the marriage.

So what's her story? She was on a work trip and was out partying with her colleagues. She woke up from being raped in a hotel room, but managed to escape. She ran to the reception and told them to call the police. The police came and put her in prison. Being Norwegian, the thought she could get imprisoned for reporting her getting raped never occurred to her.

This happened about four months ago and she's still there. She just got her sentence, one year and four months.

Edit :

Marte Dalelv rape incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That is so awful. Dealing with being raped is possibly one of the hardest and most ****ed-up things ever, not to mention being thrown in jail for it. She's my age, too... scary and sad :(

Guybrush 07-19-2013 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by 216 (Post 1346680)
more reason for me to never travel abroad lol. that sucks and is unfair.
Indeed, Dubai is off my list of potential holiday destinations.

Based on this, sharia law seems a mockery of justice.

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Originally Posted by Lateralus (Post 1346830)
That is so awful. Dealing with being raped is possibly one of the hardest and most ****ed-up things ever, not to mention being thrown in jail for it. She's my age, too... scary and sad :(
Yes :( Makes me wish there was more one could do for her. Hopefully the embassy or foreign affairs can get a hold of her and bring her home.

Guybrush 07-19-2013 08:43 AM
Another copy & paste from the other thread follows :

If anyone wants to try and help out Marte Deborah Dalelv who has been imprisoned in Dubai due to her own rape, here are some suggestions to some simple things you can do.

Finally, Marte was also fired by her employer, The One Planet, for her behaviour.

Considering this happened on her business trip, I am horrified that they would not support her like helping her out with legal fees. If I travel abroad on a business trip, I am well insured and assume my employer would help me out should I become the victim of a crime, as any employer should. I sent an email to them. If you want to complain to them, their facebook page is here (though it may be down at the moment) and their twitter is here. You can also send an email to them at the following adress : theone@theone.com

If you want to send them something, but don't know what to write, you can copy and paste this text which was written by Norwegian blogger Gunnar Tjomlid.

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Originally Posted by Tjomlid
Dear Management,

I am shocked and horrified to read that you chose to fire Marte Deborah Dalelv after learning about her arrest in Dubai, March 6th 2013.

Dubai imprisons Norwegian woman who reported rape

I do not know the full details of the events, but whatever happened I can not understand how you could choose to not support her after she had been charged for having «sex outside of marriage» when she reported being raped. We do not know if she’s guilty of perjury, and I do not know if she did anything else stupid or illegal the night before the arrest, but that doesn’t change the situation. You have actively chosen to support a religious fundamentalist regime which condones sexual violence against women, and that is despicable.

You state on your Facebook page that you want to change the world and make it a better place. Well, this is your golden opportunity. I hope you reverse your decision and give Ms Dalelv all the support she needs right now, including covering all her legal costs.

Thank you for listening.
Source for the letter >> THE One – give ‘em hell! | SAKSYNT

edit :

I made a thread dedicated to the Marte Deborah Dalelv rape incident -> http://www.musicbanter.com/current-e...-incident.html

Feel free to reply in there!

The Batlord 07-19-2013 10:58 AM
**** Dubai.

katsy 07-19-2013 11:34 AM
The US rape culture is appalling. We joke about it, make light of it, and project women as sex objects. This has influenced people; it's created a society in which women are desirable for their bodies. Look at American Apparel-- it's disgusting. And that's the message we send to our youth. Women are objects of sexual desire. If she's dressed in a provocative/sexy way she must want it. F*ck that.

We teach young girls not to get raped. Why the f*ck don't we teach little boys NOT to rape? Society is the problem: victim blaming, slut shaming, it's all wrapped up in one big ball of f**cked-upness.

This video is long-ish, but it's good.

Cuthbert 07-19-2013 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by katsy (Post 1346988)
The US rape culture is appalling. We joke about it
I joke about rape too, but then I joke about schizophrenia even though my dad has it. Nothing wrong with rape jokes.

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We teach young girls not to get raped. Why the f*ck don't we teach little boys NOT to rape? Society is the problem: victim blaming, slut shaming, it's all wrapped up in one big ball of f**cked-upness.
Err, because it's fucking stupid? Men are not rapists, rapists are rapists.

Some people treat rape as if it's similar to crimes like stealing, we all do it a bit, everybody will steal if they know they can get away with it, the solution society uses to stop this sort of criminal behaviour is punishment and humiliation, that works well to stop people committing crimes everybody commits.

The problem is that rape is not a crime everybody will commit. The typical approach to rape is to treat it like cheating, lying or stealing. Assume that everybody will do it under the right circumstances i.e. assume all men are potential rapists so teach men not to rape :rolleyes:. Prevent it using humiliation and punishment i.e. telling people how terrible it is to rape and how everybody will despise them and put them in prison.

Saying you should teach men not to rape is basically saying we are all inherently rapists, so not only is it ridiculously stupid it's also incredibly offensive.

katsy 07-19-2013 11:56 AM
I would advise you to do the research on rape in the US and the causes.

The society we live in has women portrayed as sex objects for men, in most cases. Rape is a gendered crime. The majority of victims are females, the majority of rapists are men. Rape in the U. S. is regulated not prohibited. Men are not punished for rape and women are not encouraged to resist rapists. Although there are laws against rape rarely are perpetrators charged or convicted. According to a national survey, the Rape in America study, only 16% of rapes are reported to police.

What does this teach? That rape is the norm. Well, boys are doing the raping because society is basically saying it's okay. We have socialized sexual aggression!

Cuthbert 07-19-2013 12:03 PM
Rapists already know rape is wrong. Telling them it's wrong is not going to stop them.

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Originally Posted by katsy (Post 1347004)
What does this teach? That rape is the norm. Well, boys are doing the raping because society is basically saying it's okay. We have socialized sexual aggression!
Rape is not 'the norm', most normal guys are not going to rape a girl if she really resists.

katsy 07-19-2013 12:12 PM
Well, we disagree. I live in a world where girls are raised to be passive, demure, submissive, and meek. Boys are raised to be dominant, powerful, assertive. Just last month a man was touting a book that basically advocated rape as a way to pick up women. From the proposed book: if she says no, she really means try harder. be dominant, women like that
It goes on and gets worse. WTF? and this was gaining popularity! That teaches men to rape.

Really resists? Wow. So I guess "no" isn't good enough anymore. You're proving my point for me.

Cuthbert 07-19-2013 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by katsy (Post 1347013)
Really resists? Wow. So I guess "no" isn't good enough anymore. You're proving my point for me.
Don't talk shite.

katsy 07-19-2013 12:16 PM
Here's a link about the above mentioned book project. It's sad and says a lot about our culture and society.
Redditor's PUA Kickstarter Project Recommends Sexual Assault

katsy 07-19-2013 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Fluffy Kittens (Post 1347014)
Don't talk shite.
I don't see how pointing out your own assertion that as long as women "resist" enough they won't be raped is talking ****. But if you see it that way, I'm sorry.

Regardless of our disagreement: Rape is abhorrent.

Cuthbert 07-19-2013 12:25 PM
Fucking hell have you actually read those quotes?

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Pull out your cock and put her hand on it
Yeah, that's teaching men to rape. I'm gonna read the book then start putting my knob in a load of women's hands who I don't even know.

Step into the real world please.

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Originally Posted by katsy (Post 1347017)
I don't see how pointing out your own assertion that as long as women "resist" enough they won't be raped is talking ****. But if you see it that way, I'm sorry.
Saying no is resisting.

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Regardless of our disagreement: Rape is abhorrent.
Agree.

butthead aka 216 07-21-2013 07:58 PM
i have no respect for people like katsy if im interpreting her/his posts correctly. sounds like you got a general problem with men or someting


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