Rape - Whose Fault Is It?

**Frownland** · 03-17-2017, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii

You've lost me.

Rape=sex without consent
Sex during sleep without consent=rape

Comprende?

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I don't know how clearer I can be. You also haven't pointed it out, at least not to what I'd consider victim blaming. I explicitly mentioned a few times that both can be at fault in certain situations.

Let's try this again, last time you just scoffed and said I didn't read your posts

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Originally Posted by Kiiii

You['re as big of a problem for letting it happen as the person doing it..

This is basically saying that the victims are as bad as a rapist. If you don't think that's victim blaming then I don't know what to say except that you're way wrong.

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Originally Posted by Kiiii

B]you aren't allowed to play the victim card.[/B]

And that too.

DwnWthVwls · 03-17-2017, 02:15 PM

So is it rape if you wake up and then want it? Half-rape, half-consenual?

I've woke a girl up by going down on her and she was fine with it. I wouldn't consider myself a rapist.

Key · 03-17-2017, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

So is it rape if you wake up and then want it? Half-rape, half-consenual?

I've woke a girl up going down on her, and she was fine with it. I wouldn't consider myself a rapist.

I wouldn't say it was or wasnt (I'd lean more toward not being rape) but I also wouldn't consider what some would consider the victim...a victim. Especially if in the case as yours. That's the grey area.

**Frownland** · 03-17-2017, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

So is it rape if you wake up and then want it? Half-rape, half-consenual?

Half rape unless they had permission to start when they were asleep.

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I've woke a girl up by going down on her and she was fine with it. I wouldn't consider myself a rapist.

Teetering a fine line, be careful.

If there's some precedent for that kind of thing in a relationship, like you know it's your girl's kink or something, then the situation changes a little.

DwnWthVwls · 03-17-2017, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Teetering a fine line, be careful.

If there's some precedent for that kind of thing in a relationship, like you know it's your girl's kink or something, then the situation changes a little.

Ofc, I wouldn't do it if she wasn't comfortable with it, and I definitely wouldn't do that with just anyone. I'm just giving examples and asking questions, that hopefully create some discussion, instead of Frown/Ki banter.

Key · 03-17-2017, 02:21 PM

^a little? It changes it entirely. You would actually call it rape if both parties agreed that it was ok? Even if it was random occasions that it happened?

**Frownland** · 03-17-2017, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii

^a little? It changes it entirely. You would actually call it rape if both parties agreed that it was ok? Even if it was random occasions that it happened?

No I wouldn't call it rape because the situation changed

Key · 03-17-2017, 02:23 PM

Well you implied differently with your use of "changes a little". Implying that there's still an argument for rape to have occured.

**Frownland** · 03-17-2017, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii

Well you implied differently with your use of "changes a little". Implying that there's still an argument for rape to have occured.

Potentially, yes. But not when both parties have agreed because that's stupid. Read my post.

For someone who keeps shouting about gray areas, you're trying to paint things a little black and white right now.

**Frownland** · 03-17-2017, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii

If I am being black and white, it's not purposefully. I'm basing the accusations of rape on those grey areas as was displayed with DWV's post. Obviously it's all based on situation. But I've also said that I agree with your statements just not entirely.

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Originally Posted by Kiiii

Implying that there's still an argument for rape to have occured.

The fact you think that this is somehow wrong sounds like a black and white approach to me.

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03-17-2017, 02:21 PM	#6 (permalink)
Key . Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 13,153	^a little? It changes it entirely. You would actually call it rape if both parties agreed that it was ok? Even if it was random occasions that it happened?

03-17-2017, 02:23 PM	#8 (permalink)
Key . Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 13,153	Well you implied differently with your use of "changes a little". Implying that there's still an argument for rape to have occured.