Guybrush

You may think it offensive, but there is a point you may be missing in katsy's post. Ask yourself this: who rapes the most? If you would teach boys or girls not to rape, but not both, who should be taught in order to minimize rape in society?

I'm a guy too, but I can see the answer is males. So I'm not really that offended. It's not a crazy accusation to make and maybe boys should have some extra focus.

But I do think everyone should learn that it is not okay for anyone to touch them sexually without their consent and that it follows that they shouldn't touch others without consent. I also think more gender equality in general is good for society and helps reduce rape.

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butthead aka 216

theres just so much i hate about all of this, tore. claiming that rape is the norm???? 'why dont we teach little boys not to rape?' society says rape is ok??

katsy are you a rape victim by chance?? I am shocked that anyone holds these thoughts and beliefs that you apparently do although maybe i would understand a little more if you have been raped. katsy you make it sound like 'society' just throws pro-rape propoganda in everyones face.

plus i got problems with the whole 'women portrayed as sex objects' thing. implying that society portrays women as only useful for sex. not the case IMO. and this is comin from someone who is admittedly misogynistic and sexist sometimes LOL. i just hate the tone of your posts, makin it sound like we live in a world where a bunch of guys are runnin around seekin out women to rape and nobody cares, is stoppin them, or is punishing them


actually i dont feel like goin back to edit my post now but i guess i am comin from a cultural perspective of the usa and its laws. maybe you live in a country with terrible laws, like shaira law (LOL what a joke) or some other backwards country.

musicchamberdubai

I do not think any sensible person would think that there is even .0001% fault of victim in rape case. I do not know why that politician has expressed his view without thinking anything. We should respect women and at any time should not blame them for getting victimized.

Paul Smeenus

Katsy, I believe FK agrees that "no" should be enough and if/when the male pushes anything past that, he is committing rape or sexual assault (depending on degree). I believe what FK is saying is that normal males who make a sexual advance on a lady will cease and desist once the woman has made it clear that she wants the advances to stop, and only males with a rapist mentality won't stop. I don't think you two are really that far apart on this. I think he could have worded it better.

And @ misspoptart, I really really respect you.

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djchameleon

You are completely right and I agree with you. The tone of her posts come off as her just being as someone who hates males in general.

Not really Paul, She's basically saying that all men are willing to rape someone at some point in time and as a society we should be teaching little boys when they are growing up not to over step their boundaries and rape someone because men can't control themselves. That's exactly what it sounds like she is saying.

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katsy

I do not hate men and I do not believe all males would rape, given the chance.

Sexual harassment is so common place. I do not think that 'men' can ever get what being a 'woman' in this society is like. The 'tone' of my posts is not meant to come from a place of being a man hater. I'm really not an awful person and I happen to enjoy more male friends than female ones.

If you truly look at the way women are perceived, the employment situations, laws, media, etc. Most affect women in a negative way--that's all. This puts women at a disadvantage. This is all goes back to gender roles and expectations. There is a great deal of research on why men rape-- and it does relate to gender roles/norms/society(all the above mentioned) and the social patriarch of men/women. So again, no most males will not rape given the chance. But it is males doing the raping and it is born out of a misogynistic culture.

And 216, f*ck you. It's none of your g*ddamn business if I was raped or not. That's out of line.

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Sansa Stark

I've been avoiding this thread since it's triggering to me because it's happened to be me and I'm really glad you're posting in here, just because I knew someone like 216 would feel that cute white boy entitlement to your sexual history. As if one has to be a victim of something to know it's wrong.

So for you. For this whole post. Rape culture is very real and permeates so much of our media it's horrific.

butthead aka 216

wow look at you edgy feminists standing up for your rights against the evil man who dared ask a simple personal question!!! a simple "sorry but that's none of your business" or "i dont feel comfortable answering that" would have done perfectly, but why say that when you have an opportunity to make yourself a victim?? keep make believing that you're some sort of social martyr and victim because you have a twat between your legs. i am certainly not apologizing whatsoever for just asking a completely relevant question lol. get off your pedestal and cut the fake outrage

as for women being at a disadvantage in employment and when it comes to laws, ill be the first to call BS on that. the pay gap is not what women make it out to be and the laws certainly aren't slighted against women whatsoever. have you not paid attention at all when it comes to anything child or divorce related (custody, alimony, child support, etc)???

Sansa Stark

funny how you use feminism as an insult. wanting equal rights must make us horrible people amirite guys lmao

are you not getting any pussy?

butthead aka 216

it has nothing to do with equal rights because i don't think that's the endgame. by definition i think most of the US society is a feminist because i believe the strong majority of people want equal rights, myself included. it's those who proclaim so outwardly their feminism that i have an issue with because i think they are extremists who love nothin more than to act like a victim at any opportunity and stand on their soapbox and tell anyone who will listen how super oppressed they are by society and down trodden by the man. that dish comes with a huge side of exageration and hyperbole too.

i asked a legit question and i am met with that type of response. i never implied that only a rape victim would know it's wrong lol. but it is compeltely reasonable to ask the question because it pertains to the topic and i wanted to know if personal experience playe dinto what i consider a jaded attitude towards the topic. but again, that was taken as nothin more than a chance to gain sympathy and play the part of victim fueled by pesudo outrage more than anything. you can frame it as an 'attack' or 'entitlement' or whatever other words you wanna use but by no means would i apologize for that question being asked

not surprisingly you ((for some reason)) mentioned a race?? seems pretty typical of you tho for whatever reason. go back to your SRS brigade where people will roll over and agree with you on everything