Rape - Whose Fault Is It?

Paul Smeenus · 07-21-2013, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by katsy

I don't see how pointing out your own assertion that as long as women "resist" enough they won't be raped is talking ****. But if you see it that way, I'm sorry.

Regardless of our disagreement: Rape is abhorrent.

Katsy, I believe FK agrees that "no" should be enough and if/when the male pushes anything past that, he is committing rape or sexual assault (depending on degree). I believe what FK is saying is that normal males who make a sexual advance on a lady will cease and desist once the woman has made it clear that she wants the advances to stop, and only males with a rapist mentality won't stop. I don't think you two are really that far apart on this. I think he could have worded it better.

And @ misspoptart, I really really respect you.

katsy · 07-19-2013, 12:16 PM

Here's a link about the above mentioned book project. It's sad and says a lot about our culture and society.
Redditor's PUA Kickstarter Project Recommends Sexual Assault

~~Cuthbert~~ · 07-19-2013, 12:25 PM

Fucking hell have you actually read those quotes?

Quote:

Pull out your cock and put her hand on it

Yeah, that's teaching men to rape. I'm gonna read the book then start putting my knob in a load of women's hands who I don't even know.

Step into the real world please.

Quote:

Originally Posted by katsy

I don't see how pointing out your own assertion that as long as women "resist" enough they won't be raped is talking ****. But if you see it that way, I'm sorry.

Saying no is resisting.

Quote:

Regardless of our disagreement: Rape is abhorrent.

Agree.

~~butthead aka 216~~ · 07-21-2013, 07:58 PM

i have no respect for people like katsy if im interpreting her/his posts correctly. sounds like you got a general problem with men or someting

Guybrush · 07-21-2013, 11:05 PM

You may think it offensive, but there is a point you may be missing in katsy's post. Ask yourself this: who rapes the most? If you would teach boys or girls not to rape, but not both, who should be taught in order to minimize rape in society?

I'm a guy too, but I can see the answer is males. So I'm not really that offended. It's not a crazy accusation to make and maybe boys should have some extra focus.

But I do think everyone should learn that it is not okay for anyone to touch them sexually without their consent and that it follows that they shouldn't touch others without consent. I also think more gender equality in general is good for society and helps reduce rape.

musicchamberdubai · 07-21-2013, 11:50 PM

I do not think any sensible person would think that there is even .0001% fault of victim in rape case. I do not know why that politician has expressed his view without thinking anything. We should respect women and at any time should not blame them for getting victimized.

katsy · 07-22-2013, 03:11 PM

I do not hate men and I do not believe all males would rape, given the chance.

Sexual harassment is so common place. I do not think that 'men' can ever get what being a 'woman' in this society is like. The 'tone' of my posts is not meant to come from a place of being a man hater. I'm really not an awful person and I happen to enjoy more male friends than female ones.

If you truly look at the way women are perceived, the employment situations, laws, media, etc. Most affect women in a negative way--that's all. This puts women at a disadvantage. This is all goes back to gender roles and expectations. There is a great deal of research on why men rape-- and it does relate to gender roles/norms/society(all the above mentioned) and the social patriarch of men/women. So again, no most males will not rape given the chance. But it is males doing the raping and it is born out of a misogynistic culture.

And 216, f*ck you. It's none of your g*ddamn business if I was raped or not. That's out of line.

~~Sansa Stark~~ · 07-22-2013, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by katsy

I do not hate men and I do not believe all males would rape, given the chance.

Sexual harassment is so common place. I do not think that 'men' can ever get what being a 'woman' in this society is like. The 'tone' of my posts is not meant to come from a place of being a man hater. I'm really not an awful person and I happen to enjoy more male friends than female ones.

If you truly look at the way women are perceived, the employment situations, laws, media, etc. Most affect women in a negative way--that's all. This puts women at a disadvantage. This is all goes back to gender roles and expectations. There is a great deal of research on why men rape-- and it does relate to gender roles/norms/society(all the above mentioned) and the societal patriarch of men/women. So again, no most males will not rape given the chance. But it is males doing the raping and it is born out of a misogynistic culture.

And 216, f*ck you. It's none of your g*ddamn business if I was raped or not. That's out of line.

I've been avoiding this thread since it's triggering to me because it's happened to be me and I'm really glad you're posting in here, just because I knew someone like 216 would feel that cute white boy entitlement to your sexual history. As if one has to be a victim of something to know it's wrong.

So

for you. For this whole post. Rape culture is very real and permeates so much of our media it's horrific.

~~butthead aka 216~~ · 07-22-2013, 08:18 PM

wow look at you edgy feminists standing up for your rights against the evil man who dared ask a simple personal question!!! a simple "sorry but that's none of your business" or "i dont feel comfortable answering that" would have done perfectly, but why say that when you have an opportunity to make yourself a victim?? keep make believing that you're some sort of social martyr and victim because you have a twat between your legs. i am certainly not apologizing whatsoever for just asking a completely relevant question lol. get off your pedestal and cut the fake outrage

as for women being at a disadvantage in employment and when it comes to laws, ill be the first to call BS on that. the pay gap is not what women make it out to be and the laws certainly aren't slighted against women whatsoever. have you not paid attention at all when it comes to anything child or divorce related (custody, alimony, child support, etc)???

~~Sansa Stark~~ · 07-22-2013, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 216

wow look at you edgy feminists standing up for your rights against the evil man who dared ask a simple personal question!!! a simple "sorry but that's none of your business" or "i dont feel comfortable answering that" would have done perfectly, but why say that when you have an opportunity to make yourself a victim?? keep make believing that you're some sort of social martyr and victim because you have a twat between your legs. i am certainly not apologizing whatsoever for just asking a completely relevant question lol. get off your pedestal and cut the fake outrage

funny how you use feminism as an insult. wanting equal rights must make us horrible people amirite guys lmao

are you not getting any pussy?

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07-19-2013, 12:16 PM	#2 (permalink)
katsy Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 286	Here's a link about the above mentioned book project. It's sad and says a lot about our culture and society. Redditor's PUA Kickstarter Project Recommends Sexual Assault __________________ Split the Lark-- and you'll find the Music - Emily Dickinson

07-21-2013, 11:05 PM	#5 (permalink)
Guybrush Juicious Maximus III Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scabb Island Posts: 6,525	You may think it offensive, but there is a point you may be missing in katsy's post. Ask yourself this: who rapes the most? If you would teach boys or girls not to rape, but not both, who should be taught in order to minimize rape in society? I'm a guy too, but I can see the answer is males. So I'm not really that offended. It's not a crazy accusation to make and maybe boys should have some extra focus. But I do think everyone should learn that it is not okay for anyone to touch them sexually without their consent and that it follows that they shouldn't touch others without consent. I also think more gender equality in general is good for society and helps reduce rape. __________________ Something Completely Different Last edited by Guybrush; 07-21-2013 at 11:20 PM.

07-22-2013, 03:11 PM	#7 (permalink)
katsy Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 286	I do not hate men and I do not believe all males would rape, given the chance. Sexual harassment is so common place. I do not think that 'men' can ever get what being a 'woman' in this society is like. The 'tone' of my posts is not meant to come from a place of being a man hater. I'm really not an awful person and I happen to enjoy more male friends than female ones. If you truly look at the way women are perceived, the employment situations, laws, media, etc. Most affect women in a negative way--that's all. This puts women at a disadvantage. This is all goes back to gender roles and expectations. There is a great deal of research on why men rape-- and it does relate to gender roles/norms/society(all the above mentioned) and the social patriarch of men/women. So again, no most males will not rape given the chance. But it is males doing the raping and it is born out of a misogynistic culture. And 216, fck you. It's none of your gddamn business if I was raped or not. That's out of line. __________________ Split the Lark-- and you'll find the Music - Emily Dickinson Last edited by katsy; 07-22-2013 at 03:46 PM.

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07-21-2013, 07:58 PM	#4 (permalink)
~~butthead aka 216~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: freely swimmin thru the waters of glory much like a majestic bald eagle soars thru the skies Posts: 1,463	i have no respect for people like katsy if im interpreting her/his posts correctly. sounds like you got a general problem with men or someting

07-21-2013, 11:50 PM	#6 (permalink)
musicchamberdubai Groupie Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 8	I do not think any sensible person would think that there is even .0001% fault of victim in rape case. I do not know why that politician has expressed his view without thinking anything. We should respect women and at any time should not blame them for getting victimized.

07-22-2013, 08:18 PM	#9 (permalink)
~~butthead aka 216~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: freely swimmin thru the waters of glory much like a majestic bald eagle soars thru the skies Posts: 1,463	wow look at you edgy feminists standing up for your rights against the evil man who dared ask a simple personal question!!! a simple "sorry but that's none of your business" or "i dont feel comfortable answering that" would have done perfectly, but why say that when you have an opportunity to make yourself a victim?? keep make believing that you're some sort of social martyr and victim because you have a twat between your legs. i am certainly not apologizing whatsoever for just asking a completely relevant question lol. get off your pedestal and cut the fake outrage as for women being at a disadvantage in employment and when it comes to laws, ill be the first to call BS on that. the pay gap is not what women make it out to be and the laws certainly aren't slighted against women whatsoever. have you not paid attention at all when it comes to anything child or divorce related (custody, alimony, child support, etc)???