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View Poll Results: How many more lectures will Vegangelica make?
1 3 17.65%
6,000 1 5.88%
26 0 0%
458 1 5.88%
Twelve 0 0%
2 0 0%
43 3 17.65%
155 0 0%
1 million 4 23.53%
Too many 5 29.41%
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Old 02-13-2013, 09:56 AM   #161 (permalink)
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When I first joined here, back in I think 2008, I moved to the journals section and like a busy little beaver began building. I built myself a little house (not as tiny as Freebase's, but quite small) and half-closed the door, just leaving it open enough for light and the occasional comment to pass through. I was in fact completely insulated and isolated from the rest of the forum. When people began basically slagging me off for not knowing this band or that band, or being into the music I was, I lasted for a short time before getting very hurt and eventually I sold my house, packed up and left, leaving a very emotional and over-the-top farewell note on my door. I feel embarrassed about it even now: what a dweeb!

What I failed to take into account is that people will disagree with you, even laugh at you, but you have to take it in good humour and in the end say, if they don't like my music then **** 'em, I'm not going to stop liking it just cos some anonymous internet presence(s) says or say I should. And so I gave it another go, came back and this time (after a while) ventured out into the main forum, where I began discussing and meeting people, and found this to be a very friendly and on the whole accepting place. I don't have a huge amount of experience in forums (I've joined some to ask a question then left once it was answered) but of the ones I've joined on a more or less permanent basis, I would have no hesitation in saying this is the best and friendliest.

I'd be intrigued to see who these "hundreds of members" Slappy Jenkins refers to are. I've seen I think about three or four, maybe stretch it to up to ten, members who actively complained about either how the place is run or about their personal treatment. 10 out of thousands is not a majority. I think most people who live in the real world as it were have no real problem with the way the forum is run. It seems to be more a personal thing: someone gets upset (rightly or wrongly) and immediately sounds the trumpets, leading all the disaffected into battle (whether they want to go or not!) and making it seem like a problem exist where it doesn't, or where if it does it's a pretty isolated incident they're trying to make a more general thing.

As for Whiskey: he must have sent me dozens of PMs in one week, one day four all at once. One of them was to ask how was it that my journal "Bitesize" was supposed to be a daily update but wasn't? Duh! He really annoyed me though when, after asking me for ideas how he could improve his journal, he then told me my ideas were "terrible". I was quite insulted at that, and told him so. I pointed out that there was no need to be rude, and that I was only trying to help him, which I was under no obligation to do. He responded by sending me a series of PMs, the last of which asked was I sulking because he had called my ideas terrible? He wanted to know if I was being grumpy? WTF? So I told him not to send me any more PMs; I wasn't his friend nor could he, as he seemed to believe he could, monopolise my time and then complain if I didn't respond immediately.

Anyone like to guess what happened next? Yup, he sent me a PM, which I deleted and then put him on "ignore", the first time I'd ever had to do that. But the guy would not be told. I mean, who doesn't understand the clear instruction, "don't send me any more PMs as they'll just be deleted"?

The guy just seems to want all the attention, and also seems to take a perverse delight in being snide and smart particularly to those who give him a chance, which I have to say now I'm sorry I did. Little wanker.
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Old 02-13-2013, 10:08 AM   #162 (permalink)
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You can always tell which people who won't last long. They're usually the ones who love to tell you their opinions but don't want to listen to yours.

I remember seeing that Slappyjenkins was like that when he joined and said in the mod forum 'This guy will last a couple of weeks at best ', and despite being nice to the guy I was right because he couldn't handle the fact that people thought differently to him.
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Old 02-13-2013, 10:19 AM   #163 (permalink)
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Maybe it's just because I was raised to listen to other people, but I honestly don't understand why some people will express their opinion, but won't take them. That's the only way I know how to learn anything, is by listening to other people talk about something that is different from what I know about. Isn't that what we're taught how to do in like...elementary school?
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Old 02-19-2013, 05:36 PM   #164 (permalink)
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the apology was directed at you.

it was disheartening because you're a human and vegan is a human and humans shouldn't tell each other to kill themselves. the breach in logic (a blatant one, IMO) in what you've just written here (aside from the contradiction i posed by bolding two parts of that quote) that i also find disheartening that you seem to think because some people find you funny (regardless of your sentence "I'm pissed off at how judgemental everyone was toward my remark", you still say this) it gives you licence to say whatever you feel like saying and expect it to just slide off of any and everyone's back. and furthermore, your last sentence declares that i am not allowed to say whatever i want, while you - seemingly - are.

i am totally over being "emotional" about it (but nonetheless quite alright that i have the capacity to do so), but your statement here is no less confusing than it is disheartening. i know now not to get worked up about what you say, perhaps because you seem to think you can kick my ass, and perhaps because your words just fall out of your mouth without much thought. either way, i apologized for over-reacting. and that's where you and i part on the subject.
This was a great post and I have to lol at FETCHER at dismissing it as 'pretentious' and a show of 'intelligence competition', like it's a bad thing that you articulate your thoughts well.


And more of vegan's not so subtle stick it to the mod:
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Hmmm. I suspect a mod probably thought the original link to your song was self-promotion, although you've been a member for quite some time and have posted elsewhere, too, Uh_Me.

You could always post your new link to the next draft and we can see if that sneaks through under the radar...

...or you could PM it to me and I'll post it in your thread for you. It won't be "self-promotion" then!
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Old 02-19-2013, 05:43 PM   #165 (permalink)
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Old 02-24-2013, 12:00 PM   #166 (permalink)
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I think Erica's got a point. You start a mock/parody thread; if the person you're mocking does not find it funny, then it was mean and you shouldn't have, mod or not. Particularly not mods.

If he's a problem, deal with it in a mature manner.
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I love Erica and admire her so much for her very genuine kindness, tremendous intellect, and her willingness to go to bat for the underdog time and time again. I have never seen Erica exchange harsh words with anyone here. Surely that is something we should all respect. When I think of Erica, my mind always automatically goes to the Henry James quote, “Three things in human life are important: the first is to be kind; the second is to be kind; and the third is to be kind.” It doesn’t cost anything to be nice, you know.
Liz, thank you for your kind and thoughtful words. Thank you also for being part of the community as long as you were! I'm so glad we met due to MusicBanter.

(I *have* exchanged harsh words with people here...but that was in a Fake Argument Thread long ago. )

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[...] I came in just to say how I feel about Erica. She has strength I can't even imagine. I couldn't put up with this place for a month. And she's done it for years. I can't find one single thing she's done to deserve this reaction. You guys jump on her all the time for doing what? Saying, 'Hey we're the established members here, we should be taking care of the new members and others who don't know how things work around here. No need to be rude.'

Really???

[...] If she sees someone getting bullied on the internet she will stand up for them. If she sees someone getting bullied in real life she would put herself between that person and their attacker like a shield. If she sees someone down on their luck she will pick them up and dust them off and put them back on the right track. It isn't a game or a show to her. It's how she's lived her whole life.

I can't find a single thing she's done wrong. All I see is kindness and defense of others, thoughtful responses and immense contribution to threads. She's one of the very few 'functional' members of MB!

I believe a moderator should never have a personal stake in performing their tasks. They should not even be allowed to post insults to the other members.

If you mods feel you should be allowed to do your job and there are things going on behind the scenes that no one else understands...hey 'what ever helps you sleep at night' is all I can say.

And yes I know....I'll get a whole long line of ....'I hate her so much, she's always so nice!'....and here comes Vanilla with 'She gets on my nerves with her kindness!!!' and Urban will say 'We should respect the members? WHAT? F**K the members!'.
Awwww, slappy! Thank you for voicing your support for polite moderation and for voicing your loving support of me!

I completely agree with your thoughts about moderation methods. Whatever is going on behind the scenes shouldn't be used an excuse for moderators to go on the boards and act out their aggravation by creating threads about members.
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It's pretty funny seeing someone like slappy "voicing support for polite moderation". I'm not aware of any poor treatment he ever experienced as the hands of the evil, tyrannical mods here. In fact, what I remember most about him was his penchant for being quite impolite and insulting to people he didn't agree with and the fact that he had a hostile relationship with one of the other newbies. I'm not really sure what mods could possibly have done about that situation under the vegan/slappy theory of moderation, since according to them, newbies should be free to be as hostile as they want without interference from the mods.
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Old 02-24-2013, 06:43 PM   #169 (permalink)
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Exactly, Tore.


Liz, thank you for your kind and thoughtful words. Thank you also for being part of the community as long as you were! I'm so glad we met due to MusicBanter.

(I *have* exchanged harsh words with people here...but that was in a Fake Argument Thread long ago. )


Awwww, slappy! Thank you for voicing your support for polite moderation and for voicing your loving support of me!

I completely agree with your thoughts about moderation methods. Whatever is going on behind the scenes shouldn't be used an excuse for moderators to go on the boards and act out their aggravation by creating threads about members.
You missed the part where I highlighted your attempts to get newbies to blatantly break MB rules. I guess your version of a welcome wagon is a permaban
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Old 02-24-2013, 07:18 PM   #170 (permalink)
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You missed the part where I highlighted your attempts to get newbies to blatantly break MB rules. I guess your version of a welcome wagon is a permaban
She also only replies to people who agree with her making this a pointless argument in the long run. As any Vegan argument is.
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