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Janszoon 04-29-2011 06:19 PM

Put me squarely in the "9" camp please.

Thom Yorke 04-29-2011 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CanwllCorfe (Post 1045458)
You get: 3!

You got 3 factorial? Well this just adds a whole new twist. ;)

But yes, it's 9.

CanwllCorfe 04-29-2011 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1045489)
You got mad math skills bro. :thumb:

You know it!

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Originally Posted by Thom Yorke (Post 1045494)
You got 3 factorial? Well this just adds a whole new twist. ;)

No, 3 excited.

Burning Down 04-29-2011 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by oojay (Post 1045438)
Or 1 (if you do it the way you were taught your entire life, and the way that everyone you have ever interacted with in any mathematical environment have always done it).

I did it the way I was taught my entire life, and got 9. I also asked a friend of mine who is working on a Master's degree in mathematics what the solution is and guess what she said? Nine.

EvilChuck 04-29-2011 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Burning Down (Post 1045511)
I did it the way I was taught my entire life, and got 9. I also asked a friend of mine who is working on a Master's degree in mathematics what the solution is and guess what she said? Nine.

lol how did that conversation go? I'd imagine your friend thought you were mocking them, correct?

Burning Down 04-29-2011 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilChuck (Post 1045515)
lol how did that conversation go? I'd imagine your friend thought you were mocking them, correct?

I don't think so! I just said "hey what's the answer to this problem", and she said 9. She said that when you follow the formula, the equation moves from left to right and no math function takes precedence over another. Basically everything that's been said here already.

CanwllCorfe 04-29-2011 06:54 PM

Yup! I say it could probably be locked now.

EvilChuck 04-29-2011 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Burning Down (Post 1045519)
I don't think so! I just said "hey what's the answer to this problem", and she said 9. She said that when you follow the formula, the equation moves from left to right and no math function takes precedence over another. Basically everything that's been said here already.

Did you feel like a bit of an idiot as she was explaining it to you, despite her saying everything you already knew?

[MERIT] 04-29-2011 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1045444)
If you understand that when the "/" line is used, only divided the number underneath divides the number on top, in this case 6/2 means 6 divided by 2, (only 2 not the rest of the equation),
6/2 = 6÷2

Again, this adds nothing to the argument, it simply states it differently. Here is where we see to be coming to a disagreement at:

You say that multiplication and division both bear equal precedence between one another, therefore, in a complex equation involving both multiplication and division, one should simply operate from left to right.

My disagreement, which I supported with numerous and equally credible links, says that multiplication ALWAYS takes precedence over division, just as addition ALWAYS takes precedence over subtraction, per the PEMDAS method of operation that was cited in my links, and has been taught to me my entire life, with which Big3 also agreed with.

We both cited sources that are completely conflicting with one another as far as the precedence involved within the order of operations goes. One source says A, the other says B. Both are not correct, but both are not wrong either. As MoonlitSunshine has said, the equation is too ambiguous at this point to be correctly solved using either method of operation.

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Originally Posted by CanwllCorfe (Post 1045458)
I'm sorry, but I've literally never heard anyone ever say one was more important than the other. I even Googled the problem, and Google calculator was the only thing that came up. It told me the answer was 9.

And I have literally NEVER heard anyone say that they bear the same precedence to one another. I was never taught that in my middle school Pre-Algebra class, Statistics, Algebra, Pre-Calculus, Trigonometry, Calculus I, Calculus II, Calculus III, or the Differential Equations courses that I have completed. I feel that my professors who hold Masters and Doctorates degrees would be a better authority than Google. Again, there seems to be a fundamental difference between the sources that really makes no sense to me.

But if asked to explain why one method of operation would be superior to the other, I would posit this:

Addition is positive, meaning that you are adding something to the number. Subtraction is negative, meaning that you are taking something away from the number. Rather than a left to right interpretation for a method of operation between the two, one should use a Positive>Negative order of operation, as a positive number > a negative number. Do the positive (Addition) first, and the negative (Subtraction) second.

Thusly, Multiplication should be considered the "positive" operation, as the exponents are positive, and Division should be considered the "negative" operation, as it is the inverse of multiplacation, meaning that the exponent is negative.

As all sources have stated, exponents takes precedence over ALL other operations. Per the transitive property, Multiplication (utilizing a positive exponent) therefore takes precedence over Division (utilizing in essence a negative exponent).

With that being said, and Multiplication being the positive operation, and Division being the negative operation, it is easy to come to the result that:

6/2*(1+2) = 6/2*(3) = 6/6 = 1

Mrd00d 04-29-2011 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by oojay (Post 1045537)
And I have literally NEVER heard anyone say that they bear the same precedence to one another. I was never taught that in my middle school Pre-Algebra class, Statistics, Algebra, Pre-Calculus, Trigonometry, Calculus I

I remember clearly being taught in my California high school what Burning Down said about P.E.(M./D.)(A./S.) with the left to right. And I made it to AP Calculus and I remember that being taught in a few classes.

I think, oojay, that there are a handful of teachers simply forgetting to tell some generations of students about that important piece of info, that they share precedence and go left to right.

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