PC or Mac?

s_k · 03-31-2011, 07:56 PM

A Mag?

Freebase Dali · 03-31-2011, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by s_k

A Mag?

Hmmm. No get joke.

Nah, it's a Windows based system.

CanwllCorfe · 03-31-2011, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by s_k

A comparable PC $400 more than a mac?
A 6GB memory expansion for a Mac Mini overhere costs more than a comparable PC.
And I'm not kidding at all. Really really not kidding at all.

I believe you, I believe you. But I have not a clue as to what that is. RAM? More actual memory? I don't do customization. Anything involving the inner workings of a computer is not my forte. If you're someone that is constantly customizing, then PCs could easily be for you. I think. I have not a clue. It's not relevant to me, so I never really look into that kind of thing. For me, the computer will stay the way it is until it needs to actually get fixed.

s_k · 03-31-2011, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

Hmmm. No get joke.
Nah, it's a Windows based system.

Hey, you're the army type here.
I thought a Mag was some kind of gun or something.
Google says too.

Eitherway, HTPC? Or some Tablet?

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Originally Posted by CanwllCorfe

I believe you, I believe you. But I have not a clue as to what that is. RAM? More actual memory? I don't do customization. Anything involving the inner workings of a computer is not my forte. If you're someone that is constantly customizing, then PCs could easily be for you. I think. I have not a clue. It's not relevant to me, so I never really look into that kind of thing. For me, the computer will stay the way it is until it needs to actually get fixed.

Haha, in that case you probably shouldn't believe what you're told.
Because there's no way a comparable (!) mac goes for less money than a comparable PC. It's just not true.
Don't believe reviews unless you know what you're talking about. Yes you get my point: They're useless and biased most of the time...

CanwllCorfe · 03-31-2011, 08:08 PM

I don't know what I'm talking about with this.. customized inner workings stuff, which is why I leave it in the hands of the people who do. This is what I found the other day, but ended up just choosing the article from Popular Mechanics.

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Although Apple computers appear more expensive on the surface, experts say that when you look at comparable PC computers, the difference isn't all that great. Harry McCracken, who writes at Technologizer.com, puts it this way: "Every time I do the math, though, I come to the conclusion that the cost of Macs isn't out of whack with that of similar Windows machines. Apple isn't selling $750 notebooks for $1,500 -- its portables tend to use higher-end processors, mostly have aluminum cases rather than plastic ones, are typically thinner and lighter than garden-variety laptops and run longer on a battery charge than many of their Windows brethren."

But yes, bias is a HUGE issue. At Wal-Mart this one time I was talking about Nikon and Canon, and some guy I don't know talked my ear off about how Canon is better. But some swear Nikon is better. In reality, they're both great. It's just about what you need and prefer and whatnot. I still don't know what I'm gonna get. But I still need money first.

Freebase Dali · 03-31-2011, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by s_k

Hey, you're the army type here.
I thought a Mag was some kind of gun or something.
Google says too.

Eitherway, HTPC? Or some Tablet?

Only thing I ever shot in the military was 5.56 cal rounds through an M-16, and an attached m203 grenade launcher. Also a M249 SAW, but that's the same caliber rounds as the M-16, so it's equally crap.

Currently, the only gun I actually own is a 9 mil pistol, simply for home protection.

Anyway, I'll write up my list in the "last bought" thread.

s_k · 03-31-2011, 08:26 PM

@ CanwllCorfe

I wouldn't mind reading the article and trying to explain you why it's not true.
But I can tell you this;
When you go to apple.nl and you choose a Mac Mini, it comes with 2GB of memory, stock. You can expand this memory to 8GB for 300 euro's (which is about 425 dollars). Got that/ Good.
Now when I go to a computer shop and I buy the same (exactly the same! Will work in your mac just fine) 6GB of memory without an apple logo on it, it will set me back 70 euro's (about 100 dollars). Apple uses the same memory and makes you pay THREE TIMES as much.
Right, got that?

Now, the Mac Mini itself.
It's a 2.66ghz Intel Core2Duo processor with a 320GB Harddisk and 2GB's of memory, standard. Which is a bit sad to begin with as this hardware is about 4 years old. They still sell it as new, but it's really old crap. Sets you back 835 euro's.
Right, here we go.
Intel Core2Duo Processor, 320GB harddisk, 2GB of memory. 2.96 (cannot find the 2.66 anymore, it's just too old) ghz Core2duo processor, power supply, casing, Asus mainboard, DVD drive.
Right. So I had to make a PC that's a bit faster than the mac, as the processor of the Mac is just too old, right?

The price? 300 euro's.
So that's 835 euro's versus 300 euro's.
Or 1150 dollars versus 426 dollars for about the same stuff.
If I want 8GB of memory in my PC, it will become about 60 euro's more expensive.
If I want 8GB of memory in my mac, it will become 300 euro's more expensive...
If I want a 1TB hard drive drive in my Mac... Oh wait, I can't.
Well, 500GB then, it will be 50 euro's more expensive, 500gb drive in my PC, it will become 3 (yes, three) euro's more expensive...

You don't have to understand a thing of what I'm saying.
But please understand it when I say 'what the hell are they thinking at apple?'.

And it's not like their hardware is any better. Seagate harddisks, just like in PC's, nvidia videochips, just like in pc's, foxconn connectors, just like in PC's.
You really pay for a lot of... Nothing.

And I don't mind if anyone prefers a mac, but I just cannot see why it has to be so expensive. If a Mac Mini costs what it is worth, let's say between 300 and 400 dollars, I'd buy one. Just because it's the coolest looking thing ever.

For the money a Mac Mini costs I can build a PC out of a-spec parts that has the same specs as a 2000 euro PowerPC.

I have the feeling there's two things that keep apple alive
1. The idea that a mac works better with some audio/video/photo editing software
2. All those scared people that are afraid of trying stuff themselves and don't mind paying two or three times as much so they don't have to think about how their PC works. And that's fine. I just hope no one expects this poor ****er to understand

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CanwllCorfe · 03-31-2011, 08:33 PM

Yeah that's all a bit much. I really am interested in finding out why. You don't have to read the whole article, just the bottom. That's the the part about performance.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech.../tests/4258725

For example: the startup. It says 28 seconds for the Mac and 1 min. 13 seconds for the PC. Why the hell is that?!

s_k · 03-31-2011, 08:38 PM

The answer is easy; They didn't compare it to a PC. They compared it to an all in one design PC. Same problem; They put a lot of money in the design. You can buy (or build, as I do) a way way way faster PC than that for the same money.

And another thing; The PC runs Windows Vista. And there has never been an OS that is worse than Windows Vista. Well, maybe Mac OS 10.1. But that's really it. Still, they compared two modern OS's there so that's only fair. But Windows Vista really holds the computer back.

Nevertheless; They compared an Apple to a Gimmick. That computer is not a serious PC to me

CanwllCorfe · 03-31-2011, 08:42 PM

See, that's what I mean. If you're building custom PCs then that's a whole different thing. I'm just talking about going to a store and getting a normal PC or Mac on the basest of levels, cause that is what is relevant to me. Customization and cheap parts are relevant for you. We're on 2 different pages.. or in 2 different books. Either one works. Oh and games is a big thing too. But I don't play games. Macs fit me like a glove. A very nice glove. A very simple one too!

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03-31-2011, 07:56 PM	#51 (permalink)
s_k Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,206	A Mag? __________________ Click here to see my collection

03-31-2011, 08:26 PM	#57 (permalink)
s_k Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,206	@ CanwllCorfe I wouldn't mind reading the article and trying to explain you why it's not true. But I can tell you this; When you go to apple.nl and you choose a Mac Mini, it comes with 2GB of memory, stock. You can expand this memory to 8GB for 300 euro's (which is about 425 dollars). Got that/ Good. Now when I go to a computer shop and I buy the same (exactly the same! Will work in your mac just fine) 6GB of memory without an apple logo on it, it will set me back 70 euro's (about 100 dollars). Apple uses the same memory and makes you pay THREE TIMES as much. Right, got that? Now, the Mac Mini itself. It's a 2.66ghz Intel Core2Duo processor with a 320GB Harddisk and 2GB's of memory, standard. Which is a bit sad to begin with as this hardware is about 4 years old. They still sell it as new, but it's really old crap. Sets you back 835 euro's. Right, here we go. Intel Core2Duo Processor, 320GB harddisk, 2GB of memory. 2.96 (cannot find the 2.66 anymore, it's just too old) ghz Core2duo processor, power supply, casing, Asus mainboard, DVD drive. Right. So I had to make a PC that's a bit faster than the mac, as the processor of the Mac is just too old, right? The price? 300 euro's. So that's 835 euro's versus 300 euro's. Or 1150 dollars versus 426 dollars for about the same stuff. If I want 8GB of memory in my PC, it will become about 60 euro's more expensive. If I want 8GB of memory in my mac, it will become 300 euro's more expensive... If I want a 1TB hard drive drive in my Mac... Oh wait, I can't. Well, 500GB then, it will be 50 euro's more expensive, 500gb drive in my PC, it will become 3 (yes, three) euro's more expensive... You don't have to understand a thing of what I'm saying. But please understand it when I say 'what the hell are they thinking at apple?'. And it's not like their hardware is any better. Seagate harddisks, just like in PC's, nvidia videochips, just like in pc's, foxconn connectors, just like in PC's. You really pay for a lot of... Nothing. And I don't mind if anyone prefers a mac, but I just cannot see why it has to be so expensive. If a Mac Mini costs what it is worth, let's say between 300 and 400 dollars, I'd buy one. Just because it's the coolest looking thing ever. For the money a Mac Mini costs I can build a PC out of a-spec parts that has the same specs as a 2000 euro PowerPC. I have the feeling there's two things that keep apple alive 1. The idea that a mac works better with some audio/video/photo editing software 2. All those scared people that are afraid of trying stuff themselves and don't mind paying two or three times as much so they don't have to think about how their PC works. And that's fine. I just hope no one expects this poor ****er to understand . __________________ Click here to see my collection

03-31-2011, 08:33 PM	#58 (permalink)
CanwllCorfe Quiet Man in the Corner Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Pocono Mountains Posts: 2,480	Yeah that's all a bit much. I really am interested in finding out why. You don't have to read the whole article, just the bottom. That's the the part about performance. http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech.../tests/4258725 For example: the startup. It says 28 seconds for the Mac and 1 min. 13 seconds for the PC. Why the hell is that?! __________________ Your eyes were never yet let in to see the majesty and riches of the mind, but dwell in darkness; for your God is blind.

03-31-2011, 08:38 PM	#59 (permalink)
s_k Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,206	The answer is easy; They didn't compare it to a PC. They compared it to an all in one design PC. Same problem; They put a lot of money in the design. You can buy (or build, as I do) a way way way faster PC than that for the same money. And another thing; The PC runs Windows Vista. And there has never been an OS that is worse than Windows Vista. Well, maybe Mac OS 10.1. But that's really it. Still, they compared two modern OS's there so that's only fair. But Windows Vista really holds the computer back. Nevertheless; They compared an Apple to a Gimmick. That computer is not a serious PC to me __________________ Click here to see my collection

03-31-2011, 08:42 PM	#60 (permalink)
CanwllCorfe Quiet Man in the Corner Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Pocono Mountains Posts: 2,480	See, that's what I mean. If you're building custom PCs then that's a whole different thing. I'm just talking about going to a store and getting a normal PC or Mac on the basest of levels, cause that is what is relevant to me. Customization and cheap parts are relevant for you. We're on 2 different pages.. or in 2 different books. Either one works. Oh and games is a big thing too. But I don't play games. Macs fit me like a glove. A very nice glove. A very simple one too! __________________ Your eyes were never yet let in to see the majesty and riches of the mind, but dwell in darkness; for your God is blind.