boo boo

No I can't accept it, I have to find something to nitpick about.

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bungalow

relax boobs. you're just like me.

boo boo

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VEGANGELICA

I...like...your...views. You know poetry AND feminism!

I feel that whether people understand and support what bungalow said is the most important issue to be concerned about as feminists. Concern about a feminist's appearance and sexual orientation is counterproductive and...not feminist, I feel. I agree with your that people should not be looked down at for those issues.

About the "man-hating" charge...although the men and women I've known who are feminists don't hate men as a group...in fact, the very opposite is true...I think feminism generally makes one aware of human history and male dominance and requires one to acknowledge the severe patriarchy that exists within cultures around the world. Being angry at men, the main perpetrators of this patriarchy, is understandable...though it isn't fair to direct the anger at those men who aren't responsible.

For a great (horrible) example of patriarchy, read this article about the Taliban and what a husband and his fellows did to his wife who fled his abuse:

Even in the U.S., some religions are still patriarchal, saying women can't be clergy, and men should make the ultimate decisions in families. Most children are named after their fathers, not their mothers...and some people get upset with you if you challenge this obvious unfairness (I'm speaking from personal experience here). And...many women follow the patriarchy, supporting it themselves because they think it is the way things should be. THAT is patriarchy: where people believe women do not deserve equal rights and privileges that men have.

Not all men, however, are loathsome, vicious, thoughtless, horrifying creatures.

There are some nice ones.

(See? We feminists have a sense of humor...when we're not being "uppity," that is, by challenging THAT PESKY PATRIARCHY OF NOSE-CUTTING MEN AND THEIR ILK!!!!)

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boo boo

Being angry at such men is not only understandable but encouraged.

I have an issue with radicial feminists who treat all men AND women who don't share their extreme viewpoints with great malice and disrespect. As in those who hate all men and those who hate all women who choose a "feminine" lifestyle because that's considered giving in to the man's oppression and such bullsh*t.

A lot of women who call themselves feminists really aren't because they don't want equal choice among their gender they want to dogmatize their opinions on how women "should" be which is just as oppressive as men's ideals of how women "should" be.

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VEGANGELICA

Yep, we agree people should have choices about themselves and their behaviors.

Back to whether women and men can both be funny, here's what Scientific American says (going back to my first post, the second one in the thread):

In other news, apparently "scientific studies of farts show that women's farts have a higher concentration of odor-causing gases than men's farts, but men's farts have a larger volume. The two facts equalize out, so the odor is about the same." http://www.heptune.com/farts.html

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What I'm saying is that calling yourself a feminist has a large stigma attached to it, when it shouldn't. Most people think that men can't be feminists (or if they are, they're a "pussy").

Then, if you're a woman and a feminist, you're assumed to be unfeminine for it. The ultimate insult. For example, a "hairy-legged uppity man-hating lesbian" is the complete opposite of what women are supposed to be in our society. The ideal woman is sweet and docile, pretty, non-threatening, conforms to beauty ideals (no matter how ridiculous), and is straight. Being a lesbian is considered being masculine, unless it's for the camera.

Anyways. I think I've contributed enough to the derailing of this thread for one day. I'll save any quasi-feminist ramblings for a later date. I'm tired and I'm probably not making very much sense.

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VEGANGELICA

You made perfect sense to me! I understand completely how people use words to try to make others afraid of identifying themselves as feminists. I think most people *want* to be liked and this means they don't want to be people who violate gender "divisions"...as if there were something wrong with a woman and man sharing attributes...and so they are probably afraid to call themselves feminists because they don't want to appear "unfeminine" or "unmasculine."

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My problem isn't with feminists wanting to be unfeminine, it's with feminists who take the ridiculous extreme of wanting ALL women to reject everything having to do with being feminine and thus not really being true to feminism at all.

There's different kinds of feminine, naturally and culturally, and I agree that women often get ridiculed for things that are only not feminine on a cultural level. I believe women have the choice to define themselves as masculine or feminine or neither.

My issue is with the kind of feminists who think everything society considers to be feminine is bad and they treat women who choose to define themselves as feminine (in how they dress and the kind of careers and interests they persue) as not being real human beings worthy of respect and that their lifestyle choices means they are of inferior intelligence.

Every political movement has it's share of extremely retarded motherf*ckers who have a sociopathic desire to enforce their beliefs on others and feminism is no exception.

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FETCHER.

Thıs forum has made me ****ıng hate femınısts.

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