OceanAndSilence

it's a mixed bag, depending on the parents. some parents are too abusive when it comes to punishment and this can traumatise the child not only through childhood but for the rest of their lives. grey.

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Dr.Seussicide

Kids are fucking stupid... but I'd much rather the kids be idiots than adults any day.

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Alfred

Well yes, I agree with this.

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Astronomer

Yeah but how does 'respect' have anything innately to do with physical discipline?

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someonecompletelyrandom

I'd respect a man or woman that I knew from a young age would take action if I dissobeyed. Plain and simple other forms of discipline at that age aren't as effective. Granted, maybe it could be a last resort thing if the usual time outs, etc don't work.

How many of us would actually listen when we got grounded to not do whatever we were grounded from if we knew there'd be no consequences for that.

Astronomer

Exactly, but 'take action' doesn't necessarily mean physical discipline. It's a matter of opinion. Personally, from working with children in the industry so far, I find other means of discipline far more effective in teaching respect.

But like I said, it's a matter of opinion and ultimately up to the parents in choosing what methods they think will effectively discipline and their their children lessons.

This doesn't mean that respect goes exclusively hand-in-hand with physical discipline.

Edit: You also say that plain and simple forms of discipline at a young age don't work. How do you know this? Have you had children or had the responsibility of teaching children about respect? I find it annoying that many people in here who have commented on physical discipline are people probably under 18 years old who don't have children or have never been in an authoritative position where required to discipline a child. I know that other forms of discipline do work because I've used them on children, I've been studying the psychology of children's development for 4 years, and I've been in a classroom full of 20-30 young children who I've had to gain respect from without laying a hand on them.

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Guybrush

I think it was generally established many times over in the old physical discipline thread that corporal punishment is not a particularly good way to discipline young. Those who don't believe it should trawl through that thread and look up the many sources. Of all the research papers there which studied the effects of corporal punishment, not a single one supported it as better than the alternatives. Instead, they indicated that kids who recieve corporal punishment behave worse, more often become criminal, find it harder to trust adults, have a higher chance of becoming violent both in young age and old and have a much higher chance of getting physically abused.

Many of physical discipline's defenders seem to be it's victims who perpetuate that form of punishment for the generations to come. Incidentally, many circles of bad behaviour and are kept alive much the same way. It requires no logic, that way of doing things is coded into you from a young age and something in the core of your being which is not solely controlled by logic ends up believing that's how you do things regardless if it's good or bad.

In many countries in the world, like where I live and where Lateralus lives, it's illegal and I think the rest should learn from that.


If you honestly feel that kids today are misbehaving and more corporal punishment is the answer, then you're a bit of a tit. Supposedly, in America it's still the prevalent form of punishment so if that's where you are, then you should consider blaming it for the problems rather than looking at it as a solution. However, all that aside, through modern history earlier generations have always complained about the young, even when that kind of punishment was the norm. Society changes really fast now. They're not growing up in the same world you and I did. They enjoy other freedoms, learn other values - and they're kids. A good slice of morons has always been part of that cake. Especially as they get into their early teens.

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NumberNineDream

We're not talking about punishment, more of a final solution.

Ok, I'm kidding, but I'm still one of those people that can't stand children, unless they're shy and not stupidly arrogant.

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Guybrush

I don't like children on the whole, but I find that if you talk to them one on one, most of them are okay. Kids as a group is like a collection of people who are clueless about life and many other things and of course that's not very positive.

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NumberNineDream

But as they still don't have any complex in life, they're a bit too blunt, which some people would pass as "annoyance"... they're just a bit too frank, and in matters they truly don't know about. And in some way, they can be a bit of attention whores, there isn't much vicious intentions behind it, but they still do it.

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