I just moved from a place that was doing a huge push for banning smoking in bars and casinos and such. The whole advertising campaign was based around the unfair act of subjecting the workers in such establishments to the smoking of the patrons. Here's an idea: If you don't want to breathe smoke, don't work at one of TWO ****ing places where smoke is gonna ****ing be, instead of infringing on our right to enjoy a cigar or *** with our purchases.

I'm a smoker, I can see how people get upset/or sick when they aren't and become consumed in smoke. At the same time, if you go to a bar, expect there to be smokers. When it comes down to it, though, I don't care if I've got to step outside to smoke.

I first got to legally drink in the UK where they had already banned smoking in pubs. I was mostly drinking at a Wetherspoons so with the family atmosphere it made sense that you couldn't smoke indoors. When I moved back to Vancouver the city council had just passed a no smoking law indoors or within 25 feet of doorways downtown. With that law it is technically illegal to smoke downtown because you are always within 25 feet of some doorway. The law also severely screwed up the hookah lounges that served the Muslim community, but they fought it and were excluded for the law. It also fucked over a lot of bars in the Vancouver area because many of them had recently built smoking rooms that were ventilated and everything so the smokers didn't have to go outside.

By the time I moved back down to the States I was already use to the idea of smoking outside, however in Nevada you can smoke in most places. However by then I had more or less given up smoking minus the pack or two here and there so now it doesn't even matter.

That's ridiculous and childish.
Some people's entire careers are in pubs and casinos. You don't just easily walk out of your job and get another career in something you don't want to do, just because a portion of the customers selfishly think their "right" to smoke is more important than someone's right to earn a living at the establishment of their choosing.
Enjoying a smoke vs. making money doing something you like to do and making it possible for these establishments to even operate = clear and obvious winner.

I'm a smoker and even I understand this.

It's not like the whole casino is smoking. We're talking about specifically renovated sections and rooms. Probably an eighth of the building's entirety. It isn't irrational to assign nonsmoking employees to the nonsmoking sections of the hotel. To smoke, you have to take the elevator down four stories and then 25 meters out of the entrance area, which is itself sizable (valet and such). And yes, the police do go out of their way to harass folk not abiding by the laws pertaining to the entrance. As far as bars go, plenty of bars can and have chosen to be nonsmoking. It's not like to go to a bar equals second hand smoke. At least half of our bars are nonsmoking. Smokers are a minority, and as such we're signed off by majority rule without a second thought, or rather were. Here in Georgia all is well.

To be honest I smoke but that doesn't mean I enjoy being in smoke filled rooms. I'm with Freebase, I think you're being selfish. Just because I smoke doesn't mean I think it pleasant to spend a 9 hour shift surrounded by people smoking in an enclosed space, wading through the haze like it's a bad club with too much dry ice pumped out with wanton abandon.

That doesn't really do anything for the employees working at the bars that do allow smoking...
All I'm saying is I think it should be pretty obvious that the lesser sacrifice to be made here is for smokers to simply take it outside or to a designated area. It shouldn't be a horrible loss even for the most chain-smoking of smokers. It's not like someone is asking them to quit their job.......

This!

I'm not infuriated or anything by having to smoke outside, I mean the smell can **** with people's meals or their experience of a good beer or just plain breathing. I can understand. I do obey the laws for this in respect for people who can't get a job at the nonsmoking bars, it being out of their control. I'm just saying, in a perfect world, one governed by my ballot alone in a poll, where a good society didn't require me getting over my minor complaints, it wouldn't be illegal.

smoking is an outdated and disgusting habit that, in the long term, really has no positive effects. i could care less if you want to pay to hasten your own death, but you deserve a brick to the mouth if you feel entitled to fill other peoples lungs with that shit.

If smoke at a bar bothers me then I just get a bit more sloshed to fix that.

I don't smoke and I never want to smoke, but I think that people should be able to smoke in bars and other public places.

I think that as long as there is a smoking and non-smoking section in a place then people should feel free to pick one or the other. I don't know about people who live in other countries, but this is the USA and I thought it stood for liberty/freedom. I believe that it's a smoker's right to smoke indoors.

I voted nay.

So you think liberty/freedom is only applicable to smokers and not workers?

It wouldn't affect the workers if there was a smoking and non-smoking section.

Smoking sections are vile.

I'd rather go outside

True. I was under the impression you were speaking about smoking in bars generally. My bad if I misunderstood.

As far as whether there should be smoking sections, I certainly wouldn't have a problem with it, but like Urban said, I'd just smoke outside because if you've ever been to a smoking room in an airport, heh... it's gross. I smoke and I can't even handle it.

When I was on holiday they had just imposed a smoking ban, but nobody followed it, so smoking in pubs was allowed. I thought it was awesome, it was much different and I prefered the smell of smoke to the smell of BO, spew and sex in the club near me.

By 2025 New Zealand will be a smoke free country. To the Irish 85-year-old who said she would never give up her cigarettes, lets face it, is she even going to be alive then?

I think each bar should be able to decide whether you can smoke inside or not. If you don't like it, then find another bar.

I smoke, and the only time that smoke free bars bother me is in the winter months. I suppose it gets them better business, because I have to be pretty liquored up to be able to handle the frigid outside temperature when I need a smoke break.

Around here, an abnormally high percentage of the populace smoke, probably because it's so affordable relative to other places in the country. I get Marlboro, and for that, it's the most expensive at $5 a pack with tax. Cigarettes like Pall Mall are $3 a pack. I went to Ohio, and my cigarettes were over $7 a pack.

I don't think these sections work. It's smoke, it's gonna travel.

I'm not sure I understand, if your waitress is a non-smoker, serving a smoking section...? Are pubs supposed to hire smoking staff for smoking sections?

^Haha yes!

I think I would prefer smoking in bars to still be legal, atleast when I turn up rough to work the reek of ***s would kinda musk the alcohol oozing from my pores :laughing:

It would be cool to go drinking with you girl... but no cigarettes!

If I'm ever in Canada you can show me where to party :D. My brother hopes to move there so who knows! :)

But I can promise you, there is no coming between drunk me and my cigarettes ;) haha

Mega bump!

There is a no smoking law where you can not smoke inside bars in Australia. Smoking is fine outside though. The government is trying, well apparently, restrain smoking in general massively by smoking tax now. Besides from millions of ads promoting health, and clearing the cover of cigarettes. But still for the most part think it's some other method for making more money. Just like poker machines tax.

Seriously. When you're sober, you want a cigarette. When you're drinking, you'd kill a hobo with a hammer for a cigarette.

Actually it doesn't bother me all that much. Plus the drunker I get, the less I care. So just keep the drinks flowing and you can smoke all you want. But only out on the patio, which is just a way better place to be I think - I love having drinks outside when it's warm out!

smoking is only disallowed in air-conditioned places here

bars and pubs aren't

haha, the drunker I get the less I smoke because in clubs you have to go all the way upstairs to go outside for a cig. I'm normally too busy fist pumping whores in the face for that. Drinking outside at nighttime is awesome, does canada ever get warm :laughing:?

Yeah lol. ****ing hell it's 35 degrees and humid outside right now :laughing:

Goddamn, I hate you canadians. You have it all. :(

Well, we also have -35 and 3 feet of snow...

Exactly! That'd be awesome.

Yeah you could come here during the winter. We could go skating, play hockey, ski and snowboard (even though I'm quite shit at them), drink beers... etc, etc :laughing:

Of course, you have to worry about getting eaten by polar bears. ;)

No no, no worrying here. I've polar bear-proofed my igloo.

I honestly find it kind of ridiculous that people get pissed at someone smoking in a bar. You're going there to get drunk, who gives a **** if someone is having a dart while you're there, chill out.