Dwindhym

I just moved from a place that was doing a huge push for banning smoking in bars and casinos and such. The whole advertising campaign was based around the unfair act of subjecting the workers in such establishments to the smoking of the patrons. Here's an idea: If you don't want to breathe smoke, don't work at one of TWO ****ing places where smoke is gonna ****ing be, instead of infringing on our right to enjoy a cigar or *** with our purchases.

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I'm a smoker, I can see how people get upset/or sick when they aren't and become consumed in smoke. At the same time, if you go to a bar, expect there to be smokers. When it comes down to it, though, I don't care if I've got to step outside to smoke.

LoathsomePete

I first got to legally drink in the UK where they had already banned smoking in pubs. I was mostly drinking at a Wetherspoons so with the family atmosphere it made sense that you couldn't smoke indoors. When I moved back to Vancouver the city council had just passed a no smoking law indoors or within 25 feet of doorways downtown. With that law it is technically illegal to smoke downtown because you are always within 25 feet of some doorway. The law also severely screwed up the hookah lounges that served the Muslim community, but they fought it and were excluded for the law. It also fucked over a lot of bars in the Vancouver area because many of them had recently built smoking rooms that were ventilated and everything so the smokers didn't have to go outside.

By the time I moved back down to the States I was already use to the idea of smoking outside, however in Nevada you can smoke in most places. However by then I had more or less given up smoking minus the pack or two here and there so now it doesn't even matter.

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Freebase Dali

That's ridiculous and childish.
Some people's entire careers are in pubs and casinos. You don't just easily walk out of your job and get another career in something you don't want to do, just because a portion of the customers selfishly think their "right" to smoke is more important than someone's right to earn a living at the establishment of their choosing.
Enjoying a smoke vs. making money doing something you like to do and making it possible for these establishments to even operate = clear and obvious winner.

I'm a smoker and even I understand this.

Dwindhym

It's not like the whole casino is smoking. We're talking about specifically renovated sections and rooms. Probably an eighth of the building's entirety. It isn't irrational to assign nonsmoking employees to the nonsmoking sections of the hotel. To smoke, you have to take the elevator down four stories and then 25 meters out of the entrance area, which is itself sizable (valet and such). And yes, the police do go out of their way to harass folk not abiding by the laws pertaining to the entrance. As far as bars go, plenty of bars can and have chosen to be nonsmoking. It's not like to go to a bar equals second hand smoke. At least half of our bars are nonsmoking. Smokers are a minority, and as such we're signed off by majority rule without a second thought, or rather were. Here in Georgia all is well.

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Barnard17

To be honest I smoke but that doesn't mean I enjoy being in smoke filled rooms. I'm with Freebase, I think you're being selfish. Just because I smoke doesn't mean I think it pleasant to spend a 9 hour shift surrounded by people smoking in an enclosed space, wading through the haze like it's a bad club with too much dry ice pumped out with wanton abandon.

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Freebase Dali

That doesn't really do anything for the employees working at the bars that do allow smoking...
All I'm saying is I think it should be pretty obvious that the lesser sacrifice to be made here is for smokers to simply take it outside or to a designated area. It shouldn't be a horrible loss even for the most chain-smoking of smokers. It's not like someone is asking them to quit their job.......

CanwllCorfe

This!

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Dwindhym

I'm not infuriated or anything by having to smoke outside, I mean the smell can **** with people's meals or their experience of a good beer or just plain breathing. I can understand. I do obey the laws for this in respect for people who can't get a job at the nonsmoking bars, it being out of their control. I'm just saying, in a perfect world, one governed by my ballot alone in a poll, where a good society didn't require me getting over my minor complaints, it wouldn't be illegal.

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CAPTAIN CAVEMAN

smoking is an outdated and disgusting habit that, in the long term, really has no positive effects. i could care less if you want to pay to hasten your own death, but you deserve a brick to the mouth if you feel entitled to fill other peoples lungs with that shit.