Now now, bit of a low blow saying I`m deluding myself into liking something you do not. However, I was being inflammatory for it`s own sake, and I apologize. Depending on the day I get pretty back-up-ish if something`s worded strongly. If it was something like ''Could never get into the harsh stuff myself'' I probably would have reacted differently, but I`m on my man period this week.

Moving on..

The only clean stuff I really listen to is VNV Nation, Assemblage 23, and Flesh Field. All modern clean EBM seems to want to be VNV Nation really, really badly, and it kinda turns me off. That being said, I guess all harsh stuff is kinda based off of Suicide Commando`s sound. I used to be into Tactical Sekt a lot more until I heard Suicide Commando, then a bunch of switches went off in my brain.

I`m kinda surprised only 3 users have posted so far..

Get over it. I'm not going to cushion my words because they might hurt your feelings, and nobody else will either.

i didn't even know such a sub-genre existed though i am familiar with most of the act here

does KMFDM and Front Line Assembly count as well?

I would say so, especially the older stuff by both.

From what I've heard of KMFDM, I'd say they were Industrial Metal. What older stuff are you referring to, Janszoon?

uhhh

I agree.