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The Batlord · 11-14-2015, 02:35 PM

What has Tim Burton made of any note in the last few years? And we were talking about The Nightmare Before Christmas, which came out the same time as those Disney movies I listed.

Trollheart · 11-15-2015, 06:43 AM

What is wrong with you? I made it very clear I know that he only made the one decent animated movie, but that it owns any Disney effort. I never made any implication that he had written or directed a slew of great animated movies, which he did not.

And Frownland, it started on Frozen, as posted by you. There's nothing wrong with TLK and B&TB per se, but Batty's assertion that Disney were then superior is what I have a problem with. They're not original and they follow basically the same formula every movie. Not that I care, it's just Batty's devotion to Disney needed to be challenged. And it was. Whether you agree or not is beside the point; the world does not begin and end with Disney. Of course Burton may have just been lucky/hit the sweet spot with Nightmare, because as I already pointed out, Corpse Bride was a huge letdown and he hasn't attempted any more animated movies, so that must say something. But I'd still take Nightmare over any Disney movie, including The Lion King, other than the really old ones like Sleeping Beauty and Snow White, when Disney were in their heyday and not everyone spoke in American idioms.

Oh, and **** Mickey Mouse. I hate that bastard.

**Frownland** · 11-15-2015, 12:45 PM

I initially talked about Frozen and called it mediocre. Then we started talking about Disneys greats once you started bashing them. I'm not sure why you're trying to argue the order of events when they're documented right here in this thread.

The type of person who thinks that all Disney films are of the same formula has probably only seen two of the princess films. I also find it hysterical how you say that they stick to the same formula and started touting Burton. Do you see the irony in that? Why the double standard? You also noted that you'd take Sleeping Beauty and Snow White over Nightmare, but aren't those basically the same films as The Lion King? (That last sentence was a joke. You're welcome for pointing that out). So I must ask, what's wrong with you?

grindy · 11-15-2015, 12:52 PM

Fun fact: Burton didn't direct 'Nightmare Before Christmas'.

(Just mentioning it, no bearing on the discussion at hand.)

The Batlord · 11-15-2015, 12:54 PM

Dude, I love cheesy romantic comedies, and this was awesome.

Pet_Sounds · 11-15-2015, 09:00 PM

Is TH still maintaining this? I was looking forward to having my name mentioned for the first time in forever this week.

If not, I totally get it--it's a massive undertaking.

DeadChannel · 11-15-2015, 10:28 PM

Burton has done more than two animated movies. Frankenweenie sucked, but it counts.

Also, he didn't direct Nightmare Before Christmas. He just took credit for it.

He's made some really good movies, but he's made a lot of derivative schlock as well.

Black Francis · 11-16-2015, 10:39 AM

Tim Burton is alright, i honestly don't get why ppl love Nightmare before christmas so much cause aside from the characters design i don't see what's so special about that movie but i do love Pee wee's big adventure and Edward scissor hands.

Disney on the other made such amazing animated movies that it made japan go "HOLY SH*T" cause in a way, it was Disney that first legitimized animation as a respected source for good storytelling. They made movies that parents could enjoy AND could be proud to show to their kids despite the movies being racist and hiding subliminal messages in them.

That's all kind of badass imo, that's selling you magic in a bottle while giving you the middle finger.

How Walt Disney Influenced Anime | The Movie Blog

i know this doesn't prove Disney films are better than Tim Burton's but i think it proves how historically significant they were.

Trollheart · 11-16-2015, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pet_Sounds

Is TH still maintaining this? I was looking forward to having my name mentioned for the first time in forever this week.

If not, I totally get it--it's a massive undertaking.

I am. I'm just trying to get my own journals sorted first. I thought I would get back to it yesterday, but I ended up being too tired.

And as for Mondo, I'm assuming this is a shoe-in for your special?

Mondo Bungle · 11-16-2015, 04:41 PM

most def

11-15-2015, 06:43 AM	#802 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,994	What is wrong with you? I made it very clear I know that he only made the one decent animated movie, but that it owns any Disney effort. I never made any implication that he had written or directed a slew of great animated movies, which he did not. And Frownland, it started on Frozen, as posted by you. There's nothing wrong with TLK and B&TB per se, but Batty's assertion that Disney were then superior is what I have a problem with. They're not original and they follow basically the same formula every movie. Not that I care, it's just Batty's devotion to Disney needed to be challenged. And it was. Whether you agree or not is beside the point; the world does not begin and end with Disney. Of course Burton may have just been lucky/hit the sweet spot with Nightmare, because as I already pointed out, Corpse Bride was a huge letdown and he hasn't attempted any more animated movies, so that must say something. But I'd still take Nightmare over any Disney movie, including The Lion King, other than the really old ones like Sleeping Beauty and Snow White, when Disney were in their heyday and not everyone spoke in American idioms. Oh, and **** Mickey Mouse. I hate that bastard. __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

11-15-2015, 12:45 PM	#803 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	I initially talked about Frozen and called it mediocre. Then we started talking about Disneys greats once you started bashing them. I'm not sure why you're trying to argue the order of events when they're documented right here in this thread. The type of person who thinks that all Disney films are of the same formula has probably only seen two of the princess films. I also find it hysterical how you say that they stick to the same formula and started touting Burton. Do you see the irony in that? Why the double standard? You also noted that you'd take Sleeping Beauty and Snow White over Nightmare, but aren't those basically the same films as The Lion King? (That last sentence was a joke. You're welcome for pointing that out). So I must ask, what's wrong with you? __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

11-15-2015, 12:52 PM	#804 (permalink)
grindy . Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: . Posts: 7,201	Fun fact: Burton didn't direct 'Nightmare Before Christmas'. (Just mentioning it, no bearing on the discussion at hand.) __________________ *A smell of petroleum prevails throughout.*

11-15-2015, 09:00 PM	#806 (permalink)
Pet_Sounds Remember the underscore Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: The other side Posts: 2,488	Is TH still maintaining this? I was looking forward to having my name mentioned for the first time in forever this week. If not, I totally get it--it's a massive undertaking. __________________ Everybody's dying just to get the disease

11-16-2015, 10:39 AM	#808 (permalink)
Black Francis Out of Place Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: in an abstract house Posts: 4,111	Tim Burton is alright, i honestly don't get why ppl love Nightmare before christmas so much cause aside from the characters design i don't see what's so special about that movie but i do love Pee wee's big adventure and Edward scissor hands. Disney on the other made such amazing animated movies that it made japan go "HOLY SHT" cause in a way, it was Disney that first legitimized animation as a respected source for good storytelling. They made movies that parents could enjoy AND could be proud to show to their kids despite the movies being racist and hiding subliminal messages in them. That's all kind of badass imo, that's selling you magic in a bottle while giving you the middle finger. How Walt Disney Influenced Anime \| The Movie Blog i know this doesn't prove Disney films are better than Tim Burton's but i think it proves how historically significant they were. __________________ "Hey Kids you got to meet the MIGHTY PIXIES!"* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbRbCtIgW3A

11-15-2015, 10:28 PM	#807 (permalink)
DeadChannel Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Canada Posts: 1,259	Burton has done more than two animated movies. Frankenweenie sucked, but it counts. Also, he didn't direct Nightmare Before Christmas. He just took credit for it. He's made some really good movies, but he's made a lot of derivative schlock as well.