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[Janszoon]

Originally Posted by matious

This is what other teenagers sound like:

Yes. Exactly. I would put this at the same level of quality as the Tyler, the Creator album I have.

Originally Posted by matious

but seriously, i can understand you not being blown away, it's the extent to which your hating it which is bogus.

Well, when something really, really sucks that's generally the reaction I have to it.

[sleepy jack]

Originally Posted by djchameleon

so it's three of them in the group Odd Future?

No, Odd Future (full name is actually Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill Them All, which I think is amusing) is a pretty big collective. I think it's about a dozen people, all teenagers too.

[sleepy jack]

Originally Posted by Janszoon

Yes. Exactly. I would put this at the same level of quality as the Tyler, the Creator album I have.


Well, when something really, really sucks that's generally the reaction I have to it.

You're either deaf or you're being deliberately belligerent, for what purpose I really don't understand though.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Janszoon

Yes. Exactly. I would put this at the same level of quality as the Tyler, the Creator album I have.

What the hell? LOL.

[Janszoon]

Originally Posted by sleepy jack

You're either deaf or you're being deliberately belligerent, for what purpose I really don't understand though.

Hmm... well I'm not deaf and thought this was a place where people with a variety of opinions could discuss music, but maybe it would make you happier if we all just loved and hated the same things?

Originally Posted by Jester

What the hell? LOL.

Honestly, when I watched that video it took me a minute to figure what he was getting at with it because it literally sounded could've been something from Bastard to me.

[sleepy jack]

Originally Posted by Janszoon

Hmm... well I'm not deaf and thought this was a place where people with a variety of opinions could discuss music, but maybe it would make you happier if we all just loved and hated the same things

Maybe if you want to actually discuss music you could actually substantiate what you're saying with tracks and examples. Everyone trying to discuss this with you has been pretty bewildered by most of the things you're saying. With the exception of your criticisms about the lyrics (though I find it weird you're treating it like rape is all they rap about) I can't hear most of the things you're talking about. It's kind of hard to have a "discussion" with you when all your arguments just seem to be "state the opposite whatever the person saying positive things about the album said."

For starters, how does that video matious posted sound exactly like a Tyler, the Creator song? I've listened to the album several times and I'm not hearing it all.

[Janszoon]

Originally Posted by sleepy jack

Maybe if you want to actually discuss music you could actually substantiate what you're saying with tracks and examples. Everyone trying to discuss this with you has been pretty bewildered by most of the things you're saying. With the exception of your criticisms about the lyrics (though I find it weird you're treating it like rape is all they rap about) I can't hear most of the things you're talking about.

I find it weird that you're saying I'm "treating it like rape is all they rap about" since I don't think I have ever said or implied that.

Originally Posted by sleepy jack

It's kind of hard to have a "discussion" with you when all your arguments just seem to be "state the opposite whatever the person saying positive things about the album said."

Well surely me stating opinions that differ from other people is a more productive way to have a discussion than accusing them of being deaf or belligerent, right?

Originally Posted by sleepy jack

For starters, how does that video matious posted sound exactly like a Tyler, the Creator song? I've listened to the album several times and I'm not hearing it all.

I don't really know how to answer that since to me they sound very similar. It's hard for me to wrap my mind around you not noticing it. How do they sound different to you?

Edit: I just skimmed though a couple tracks on Bastard and think the one it reminds me of the most is "Slow It Down". Does that help?

[sleepy jack]

The opening of "This Shxt is Mixxie" sounds like a 50 Cent song, in terms of comparsons the Odd Future collective is generally likened not so much to 'lets get drunk in the club' rap but to darker rap. I've heard more comparisons to Kool Keith, Necro and Eminem then anyone else. I've also heard early Three 6 Mafia thrown around.

The beginning sample, again, doesn't sound like anything you hear on "Slow It Down", Tyler prefers his lo-fi synths/beats, which, we don't hear on "This Shxt is Mixxie." In fact, that beginning part pretty much repeats for the whole song. It's incredibly repetitive and generic, and there's no switch up throughout the song and they feel the need to return to the phrase "this shit is mixxie" at the end which goes on for like a minute (just like it did on the beginning - this return to a repetitive/annoying part isn't there in Slow It Down. The only returned to part is the chorus...which sounds radically different from anything on "This Shxt is Mixxie.")

"Slow It Down" starts out with the synthesizers, and introduces Hodgy Beats. Hodgy's voice is accented pretty different then the dudes on "This Shxt is Mixxie," though I can sort see some similarities in how they sound. After he's done rapping it kicks into this weird chorus with a melody thing with a rapsy, kind of creepy voice chanting "turn it up" and then another weird vocal effect, that kind of sounds like someone mocking Satan, talking over that. When Tyler kicks in the rapping changes, picks up a bit and is definitely way more experienced/talented/better flow/just better everything really. Tyler's voice is also very baritone, giving him a way different sound then either of those dudes.

Also, it's worth noting that the rapping actually does changes (and is on beat) in "Slow It Down." The rapping is the same throughout all of "This Shxt is Mixxie" and it doesn't even mesh with the sample that well.

Lyrically, "This Shxt is Mixxie" talks a lot about bitches, joints, alcohol, bitches some more, swag and LL Cool J. Pretty sure the extent of the wit is "Bitches on my dick cause I fuck like a porn star / I make them cum fast like a sports car." Which is downright Shakespearean. On "Slow It Down" yeah it's also has sex references and is basically egotism, but I think they do it better. That's just personal opinion in there though. I guess I see a similarity there though, but if you're going to say rap about egotism is all the same then basically all rap is all the same.

That is why I think they're radically different tracks.

[Janszoon]

Originally Posted by sleepy jack

The opening of "This Shxt is Mixxie" sounds like a 50 Cent song, in terms of comparsons the Odd Future collective is generally likened not so much to 'lets get drunk in the club' rap but to darker rap. I've heard more comparisons to Kool Keith, Necro and Eminem then anyone else. I've also heard early Three 6 Mafia thrown around.

The beginning sample, again, doesn't sound like anything you hear on "Slow It Down", Tyler prefers his lo-fi synths/beats, which, we don't hear on "This Shxt is Mixxie." In fact, that beginning part pretty much repeats for the whole song. It's incredibly repetitive and generic, and there's no switch up throughout the song and they feel the need to return to the phrase "this shit is mixxie" at the end which goes on for like a minute (just like it did on the beginning - this return to a repetitive/annoying part isn't there in Slow It Down. The only returned to part is the chorus...which sounds radically different from anything on "This Shxt is Mixxie.")

"Slow It Down" starts out with the synthesizers, and introduces Hodgy Beats. Hodgy's voice is accented pretty different then the dudes on "This Shxt is Mixxie" and after he's done rapping it kicks into this weird chorus with a melody thing with a rapsy, kind of creepy voice chanting "turn it up" and then another weird vocal effect, that kind of sounds like someone mocking Satan, talking over that. When Tyler kicks in the rapping changes, picks up a bit and is definitely way more experienced/talented/better flow/just better everything really. Tyler's voice is also very baritone, giving him a way different sound then either of those dudes.

Also, it's worth noting that the rapping actually does changes (and is on beat) in "Slow It Down." The rapping is the same throughout all of "This Shxt is Mixxie" and it doesn't even mesh with the sample that well.

Lyrically, "This Shxt is Mixxie" talks a lot about bitches, joints, alcohol, bitches some more, swag and LL Cool J. Pretty sure the extent of the wit is "Bitches on my dick cause I fuck like a porn star / I make them cum fast like a sports car." Which is downright Shakespearean. On "Slow It Down" yeah it's also has sex references and is basically egotism, but I think they do it better. That's just personal opinion in there though. I guess I see a similarity there though, but if you're going to say rap about egotism is all the same then basically all rap is all the same. Now, why do you think these tracks sound the same?

Well that's certainly a lot of writing you've done there, but I don't feel like it makes a very strong case for there being any kind of wide chasm of quality between the two songs. To me they are very similar: Tight and tinny drum sounds that have become such a cliche in hip hop lately, cheesy synths that lean the wrong way to be the good kind of cheesy, sloppy rapping that sounds weak instead of giving it character the way a well done sloppy style sometimes can. And the lyrics? I really don't see how lines like "Fuck you faggots/I'm with a fat bitch/making shit come like I'm go-go gadget" really differentiate Tyler from any other half-assed rapper out there.

[Phantom Limb]

Originally Posted by Janszoon

Do you actually know what the word naive means? Just curious.

You can't pull **** like this in an arguement/discussion. It has NOTHING to do with the point I was trying to make. You obviously haven't listened closely to Bastard or Earl, so you are in no position to spew the bull**** comments you have been.