None of those artists were a family of skateboarding teenagers. None of those artists got famous from self-promotion through the internet.

You act like catchphrases aren't an important part of hip hop. I'd say OFWGKTA has plenty of gimmicks, the use of the word "swag" not really being one of them.

Those artists aren't as fun or easy for susceptible teenagers glued to mtv to get into.

I wouldn't classify OFWGKTA, or at least tyler, as horrocore yet, let him release one album first.

Sorry dude but the fact they all ride around on skateboards or engage in self-promotion via the internet isnt going to influence my opinion. As I said in my first post, I like what they're doing, to an extent, I don't dislike them at all apart from the swag shit, but I don't think they deserve the hype they're receiving at the moment.

And I'd say Tyler's output especially is pretty horrorcore.

doesn't mean the whole group's is^ hell, other than Tyler and Earl, the rest of the group can be pretty tame in subject matter (ex-Mike G, Domo, MellowHype). alot of their songs are really just about stuff they do and care about, like getting bitches and getting high, but I still say it's they WAY they do it (the so called "swag" you seem to hate) that makes it enjoyable. imo, hearing stuff like Gravediggaz and Kool Keith is alot less enjoyable than OF because of how blunt and dry they deliver their stuff. i'll say right now: I DON'T GIVE A SH*T ABOUT HORRORCORE, but Odd Future's way of using shock lyrics and crazy imagery in such a tongue in cheek manner makes me actually enjoy listening to lyrics about rape and insanity without feeling a large amount of cheesiness with it.

I understand what you're saying.
I respect your opinion.

But Necro is absolutely gahhhhbage.

Fair play dude, all I'm saying is, though I do have some time for them, I dont think they're anything particularly special. Earl and Blackenedwhite are really good albums, and Bastard is ok. But, if you compare them to something like Dr. Octagonecologyst or 6 Feet Deep, they don't measure up, in my opinion.

I'm taking your side here Stu, I like their music a lot, but I don't really understand why they are getting all the hype or the claims that they are doing something completely original. There's been plenty of musicians in hip hop's past that have done their own thing in tons of different styles. Again, I like the music, just doesn't make sense to me. Then again, a lot of the time I don't understand how hype works with music so I take everything people say about smaller bands with a grain of salt.

Its an obvious argument, but these guys were kids when a lot of the material your judging them on came out. No real recording studio, or at least equipment of the same calibur as kool keith. Wait for some actual releases, both mellowhype and tyler have stuff coming out fairly soon i believe.

I think a large part of it has to do with their vibe. They're just cool to listen to, it's infectious.

Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what becomes of them after they get done with being 'the next shit' and have to deal with real stuff like record labels, money, drug addictions and whatnot.

They remind me a lot of early Wu-Tang with all the self-marketing and natural charisma. So I assume they'll make some good records, some mediocre ones, some bad ones. At least one will die young and the living ones will will go on to have music careers that go up and down. In 15 or 20 years they'll do an Odd Future reunion tour and play their most popular songs, etc.

I do like them by the way.

A snippet from a new track off Goblin: