Spill Your Guts: What You Really Think About MB members

djchameleon · 05-07-2011, 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Dayvan Cowboy

djchameleon: overall a decent guy, but your taste is atrocious. I also don't like how you're always going on about my pretentious taste in music and whatever and how maybe I should get into pop music. I think you might actually be jealous of my musical taste.

I didn't mean to avoid this earlier, DC. You are worthy of getting a response from me as well.

lol I said that a couple of times in shoutbox just to tease you that you should get into Justin Bieber and other artists that kids your age listen to but it was all in jest. I didn't really think that you should start listening to Pop more just to fit in with your age group. That is completely fine if you think my taste is horrible but see the thing that people aren't noticing. I listen to a crapload of awful artists but I do listen to some decent ones as well. It's like a shotgun shell. It goes out and hits a lot of random targets and some of them are artists that get super flak around here for liking but I'm fine with that. I'm listening to the artist, it's not like I'm forcing you or any other person to listen to the same dreadful crap I listen to. I know it's crap and I still listen to it.

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Originally Posted by Dirty

djchameleon, i think FBD's original post about you was pretty accurate. I do like you and we talk a good bit, but the over-the-top alpha male stuff is a little much. Ive never really conidered your posts extra blunt or more witty than anyone elses *shrug*. the whole humor thing doesn't really make sense to me either, hardly any of them look anything like jokes. FBD is probably right that you over compensate how manly you are on here since you aren't in real life. Whatever, i don't have much beef with you but i do agree with what FBD says. Feel free to respond with attitude.

Over the top male stuff? Sure, I'm a bit aggressive at times but that's because I'm changing and forcing myself to become more alpha male. In the past I was more like s_k, just in the fact that I would play the friend zone and wait months sometimes even years for a girl that doesn't give two shits about me. I needed to change this wishy washy beta male part of me and I did.

I don't even like the typical **** that guys like if you want to get specific. I don't like beer, it tastes like piss. I don't like big DD tits. I'm not even worried about breast size on a girl. Sure, I'm an ass guy and I talk about it but I don't see how that makes me the stereotypical over the top male figure. Yes, I like sports so the **** what? Most guys like them too. I mostly only like Hockey and Football. I don't like Baseball like the stereotypical male. I don't get how you can agree with what FBD said and you and I talk more than I talk with him. That's fine though you are entitled to your opinion and so is he.

I ain't bovvered

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Originally Posted by s_k

There's one more thing: Should I be punished like this for being open towards you guys? There's a few (regularly posting) people who are in a similar situation I am in. They don't tell it here because they're afraid of the reactions they might get. I now see why. I may have misjudged that.

I've talked to you about this in the past s_k. It's similar to that saying that people fear what they don't understand.

I told you not everyone is ready to hear everything and even if you tell them that doesn't mean they will understand. People are predisposed to judge things and people which they don't understand. I had a feeling that this day would come and you would finally realize what I was telling you earlier. It's nice to be an open book about your condition but even when you talk about it. People will go around harping that you are just using your condition as an excuse because they don't fully understand it. They don't live in your shoes on a day to day basis and they haven't experienced first hand what you have in the past.

Take care s_k and good luck. I hope you get a chance to read this before taking off for good. Life is all about lessons. Take what has happened over the past few days and learn from this. I'm not sure that you need to be completely closed off but just be a little more cautious about what you tell people because they don't NEED to know.

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Originally Posted by Vanilla

Oh and DJ I do understand that you try to expand your horizons, the Electronica thread you made is a great reference for those new to the genre. I guess my personal dislike for certain artists puts me off which you seem to really go for. My tastes are more selective now, I really like going for dark and heavy trance and dub step. I'd just like to see your ideas.

Yeah, I understand that. I still listen to the dreadful stuff that I used to before coming here but I also added more artists/bands.

There are people that lurk and learn about a lot of artists but they never post or even if they do post they don't post in the genre forum where they discovered a new artist that they like now. I'm in this position the latter.

Also, LastFM isn't that great of an indicator for what I listen to. I have casettes, cds and I watch youtube videos especially of artists that other members post here. Last FM doesn't pick up on those points. The reason you don't know that I listen to classical is because I have some artists that I listen to every Sunday while I'm cleaning up my apartment and LastFM doesn't get a chance to know about it. When LastFM can start scrobbling cds, cassettes and youtube videos then it will be more accurate. I'll even add vinyl in there for those audiophiles out there that listen to vinyl.

MoonlitSunshine · 05-07-2011, 03:13 AM

He's not trying to hurt you, s_k, that's a lot of what he's saying. I know a lot of... socially challenged people - I'm studying maths, so we tend to get a fairly high proportion of that end of the spectrum. While we make concessions for the fact that something that comes easily to some of us is a lot more difficult for others, we don't pussyfoot around them - we still tell them when they've done something stupid or unacceptable, because you can't learn if noone tells you. It's not that we don't like them, or anything like that, it's because if we didn't tell them that they were doing something wrong and just said "oh, he has asbergers, it's not his fault" then the guy would be being screwed over by us a lot more than if we told him. We know that he often can't help it, but we'll still say it, on the off chance that he can not do it, but doesn't realise that he's doing it. Does that make sense?

Where I think part of the problems are arising is that from a non-autist perspective, some of the things you have to do, or say, are inexplicable to us. So there are times when you'll say "Hey, I can't help it" and that's cool, I can totally understand (well, I can accept that it's the case, saying I understand is assuming) that. But other times, you'll take a stance on something that doesn't make sense, and you won't say "I can't help it" and then we can only assume it's not anything to do with Autism, it's just a particular view you have. In that case, I don't see why people should hold back any criticism, because to do otherwise would be discriminating against you, because we aren't affording you the same... err, input... as we do everyone else.

So basically, it boils down to this: I, and probably others, like you, in general. You do some weird stuff sometimes, but hey, who doesn't, and you have a better excuse than most of us :P However, I don't know exactly what Autism entails, and I probably never will, because I know I've looked it up before, and it's damn hard to remember all of the consequences. So we either have a choice of treating you like we treat everyone else, or pussyfooting around everything you say or do that we disagree with, and I'm sorry, but I refuse to do the second, as I think that that amounts to greater discrimination than the first.

So if I'm ever having an argument with you about something, or I point something out that you can't help, feel free to tell me you can't help it, and I'll do my best to understand, but bear in mind that just like we need to remember that you don't think the same way as us, you need to remember that we don't necessarily think the same way as you either, and that what might come across as a barbed insult may just be an honest question or piece of advice.

s_k · 05-07-2011, 03:24 AM

Hey. Short reply as I really have to go;
That's exacly what I do. I tell everyone about my disability/oddness so they can keep it in mind when they talk to me. So it's pretty awful that people hold it against me.

And I just cannot believe Freebase didn't know this would hurt me.
The things he says are just harsh, harsher, harshest. It's not like he even says 'but you can't help it, so don't bother, this is just what I think'.
He mainly just says: You are only helping people because you want them to like you and you are only autistic because you don't want to work.
There's no way of making that sound nice.

I don't want anyone to spare me because I have aspergers. It would be nice if people would think twice before responding to my postings, but I cannot ask that from them.
That doesn't mean they can just rant on about it without having a clue what they're on about, obviously.

@ Freebase: If you want to reply, please understand that I'm not going to read your posting. The last one was very, very wrong too and It's not going to help our situation here when I read your next one.
We're just going to have to live with eachother now. I would want to ask you to keep your ideas about me to yourself from now on. I cannot make you do this, but I think it's a good idea.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 05-07-2011, 03:42 AM

It's quite clear that some people can't handle this thread. I think perhaps this thread could do with an opt out clause.

Those people that don't want to be included in this thread can be listed in the first post, in return they don't comment on anybody else and refrain from doing any posting in this thread.

Freebase Dali · 05-07-2011, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

It's quite clear that some people can't handle this thread. I think perhaps this thread could do with an opt out clause.

Those people that don't want to be included in this thread can be listed in the first post, in return they don't comment on anybody else and refrain from doing any posting in this thread.

Haha... that might be a good idea.

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Originally Posted by s_k

Hey. Short reply as I really have to go;
That's exacly what I do. I tell everyone about my disability/oddness so they can keep it in mind when they talk to me. So it's pretty awful that people hold it against me.

And I just cannot believe Freebase didn't know this would hurt me.
The things he says are just harsh, harsher, harshest. It's not like he even says 'but you can't help it, so don't bother, this is just what I think'.
He mainly just says: You are only helping people because you want them to like you and you are only autistic because you don't want to work.
There's no way of making that sound nice.

I don't want anyone to spare me because I have aspergers. It would be nice if people would think twice before responding to my postings, but I cannot ask that from them.
That doesn't mean they can just rant on about it without having a clue what they're on about, obviously.

@ Freebase: If you want to reply, please understand that I'm not going to read your posting. The last one was very, very wrong too and It's not going to help our situation here when I read your next one.
We're just going to have to live with eachother now. I would want to ask you to keep your ideas about me to yourself from now on. I cannot make you do this, but I think it's a good idea.

The bold, you got right. I don't believe in treating a person any differently than anyone else who makes a conscious decision to post on a public forum along with everyone else.

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Originally Posted by James

I tried to post in here last night, why wasn't my post approved?

Not sure, but just to let you know, we are filtering posts a lot more heavily than we used to, so posts that aren't considered well thought-out, and/or don't meet the basic expectation of quality that we require from posts in Editor's Pick, won't get approved. (Or may be approved accidentally, then deleted)

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

I didn't peg you as the type that would push for censorship.

Not sure if you're joking here or not... But Urban is making the statement that if people don't want to be talked about here, then they can request to not be talked about, at the expense of not talking about anyone else, themselves. The whole "can't have your cake and eat it too" thing.

At least, that's what I'm getting from it.

s_k · 05-07-2011, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

It's quite clear that some people can't handle this thread. I think perhaps this thread could do with an opt out clause.

I'm sorry mate, but it's the other way around.
Even in this thread there's things you shouldn't want to say.
I think that when you pick the right subject, you can make everyone react like I do. You just have to hit the right subject.

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Originally Posted by Il Duce

I tend to agree somewhat with Freebase about the disability making work impossible

both dj and me are paranoid schizophrenics and we both hold jobs, i dunno much about autism, but judging from your posts, I don't think employers wouldn't keep you

They don't. It's that simple. Why wouldn't you believe me when I say they don't?
Read in the introduction topic, I replied to Sara's posting.

As far as Freebase goes; Are you repared to not reply to my postings unless it's absolutely necessary (for moderation reasons or whatever).
I don't see you reviewing your afwul thoughts about me, so I think we're better of just not talking to eachother untill either you change your mind, or I get a job and have to admit you were right.

Freebase Dali · 05-07-2011, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by s_k

As far as Freebase goes; Are you repared to not reply to my postings unless it's absolutely necessary (for moderation reasons or whatever).
I don't see you reviewing your afwul thoughts about me, so I think we're better of just not talking to eachother untill either you change your mind, or I get a job and have to admit you were right.

I'm prepared to reply to any post I personally feel I should reply to. The fact that I'm a moderator does not deny me the same opportunity everyone else enjoys on a public forum. Should I use tact? Yes. And I have. But I'm nowhere close to stymieing my own opinions just because there are people who are incapable of understanding them. I'm not doing this for the benefit of creating smiles. I'm following the standard set by the thread, (which I created, btw) and it's nothing more than an expression of perspective. It's not a court of law, and nothing said here is being treated as fact. It's opinion, regardless of your personal validation of it. The sooner you accept that, the better off you'll be. Not only here, but in life in general.

By the way, my original post had nothing to do about you and your job issues. I was speaking to your interactions at this forum, with people at this forum, which I've been present to observe. It wasn't until you arbitrarily steered the conversation toward a "job" direction, that I provided input to it. If you're unsure of how things have unfolded, I suggest you re-read everything. I would suggest doing this with at least a semi-open mind.

As far as me not talking to you unless I'm going to tell you something that boosts your ego, I'm sorry... I don't work that way. I consider you an intelligent, thoughtful person... sure.. and that's exactly why I don't think I need to sugar-coat my opinions of you. I think you're a great guy, but you have some glaring downfalls that I'm not sure I can contribute to your condition, what with you being a logical person and all. I'm willing to accept that I'm wrong, but I think you should be the one to prove me wrong. So far, I haven't seen that. I would really like to, though. And that's not sarcasm.

s_k · 05-08-2011, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

Should I use tact? Yes. And I have.

Well, I really can't see any.
In my eyes you just said I am only friendly for a reason and that I am a lazy ass mofo that doesn't even want to work. There wasn't even the usual "I don't dislike you, but". You just said it, like that. And that's all you really said. So... if you excuse me; WHAT tact are you talking about exactly?

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It's not a court of law, and nothing said here is being treated as fact. It's opinion, regardless of your personal validation of it. The sooner you accept that, the better off you'll be. Not only here, but in life in general.

Well how is it a good thing that you, personally, think those things about me? That doesn't do any good for me. You still think that utter crap.

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By the way, my original post had nothing to do about you and your job issues. I was speaking to your interactions at this forum, with people at this forum, which I've been present to observe. It wasn't until you arbitrarily steered the conversation toward a "job" direction, that I provided input to it.
If you're unsure of how things have unfolded, I suggest you re-read everything. I would suggest doing this with at least a semi-open mind.

I don't think I'll be able to do that open minded anymore, really.
I believe you when you say it wasn't a job issue, but that perhaps make stuff worse. In that case you say that I just 'try to get away with autism as a reason for the stuff I do'. Sort of spans my whole character, not even job-wise...

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I think you're a great guy, but you have some glaring downfalls that I'm not sure I can contribute to your condition, what with you being a logical person and all. I'm willing to accept that I'm wrong, but I think you should be the one to prove me wrong. So far, I haven't seen that. I would really like to, though. And that's not sarcasm.

You have never been proven right.
How can you prove that I only am nice to people because of how it reflects on me?
And how can you tell That I'm a great guy but not mention that in a posting in which you kick me right in the face? I mean sure, if you said 'these are his downsides', it'd be a different story. But you just pointed out these two things and you really make it sound like that's my entire personality, like there's nothing more at all.

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Originally Posted by adidasss

Funny, if there was one person I would have thought had a kind of Aspergers, it would've been Freebase. Extremely intelligent and eloquent, but with a sort of cold...deadness behind it. :\

Hmmm, I recognize aspergers pretty good, usually and I didn't think he'd have aspergers. But now you mention the coldness, yes. He just writes it down there without looking back or thinking about the tone or emotion.
Nevertheless, I'm not sure if he has aspergers. I still don't think so, but I do see your point.
I had my doubts about Freebase in the very beginning. I should admit this definitely had something to do with his profession, so I figured I'd just try and be open minded and I actually started to like the guy. And then he writes down something like this

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Pity.

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Originally Posted by Lateralus

This seems really unfair, why should Freebase be denied his enjoyment of a public forum just because you're austistic?

Because I don't want to leave yet so I don't want to read any of this **** anymore, really.

Btw, to the one who made this topic moderated again: Good job. I said it before and I say it again; It was good the way it was. I just don't understand why no one seemed to agree with that but now it's back the way it was anyway?

Astronomer · 05-07-2011, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by s_k

As far as Freebase goes; Are you repared to not reply to my postings unless it's absolutely necessary (for moderation reasons or whatever).
I don't see you reviewing your afwul thoughts about me, so I think we're better of just not talking to eachother untill either you change your mind, or I get a job and have to admit you were right.

This seems really unfair, why should Freebase be denied his enjoyment of a public forum just because you're austistic?

~~Sansa Stark~~ · 05-07-2011, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Skaligojurah

To be honest, as posters, I see you and DJ very much contributing positively in the same way. A lot of discussion, and a lot of keeping discussion, and keeping a strong social atmosphere. Personally, apart from DJ's ludicrous bitch wars with Paloma over the 'love' of another member of these forums(which very much scares me. .

Who the fuck are you talking about?

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Originally Posted by adidasss

Funny, if there was one person I would have thought had a kind of Aspergers, it would've been Freebase. Extremely intelligent and eloquent, but with a sort of cold...deadness behind it. :\

Hmmm...

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

I think that would be described as psychopathic tendencies.

I picture Freebase sometimes like Christian Bale in American Psycho. Very clean and neat type person with an apartment that has a cold empty feeling to it like no one really lives there. No warmth to it.

First of all, I think you're trying to make a potshot because you're still butthurt, honestly. It's not psychopath tendencies anyway, it's antisocial personality disorder which you are describing, which anyone should be able to see that it doesn't apply to Jeremy, at all. This extremely hyperbolic and vitrolic sentiment is just fucking ridiculous honestly. Jeremy is a good person, or the person he displays is (

). He's honest to a point, and sometimes can give off a holier-than-thou attitude, but frankly he says some genuinely kind things and really doesn't deserve that kind of finger pointing. I mean, he even defended Neapolitan when it wasn't even necessary once.I don't know if anyone else remembers it but me though... But yeah dude.

05-07-2011, 03:13 AM	#2 (permalink)
MoonlitSunshine Dat's Der Bunny! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ireland Posts: 1,097	He's not trying to hurt you, s_k, that's a lot of what he's saying. I know a lot of... socially challenged people - I'm studying maths, so we tend to get a fairly high proportion of that end of the spectrum. While we make concessions for the fact that something that comes easily to some of us is a lot more difficult for others, we don't pussyfoot around them - we still tell them when they've done something stupid or unacceptable, because you can't learn if noone tells you. It's not that we don't like them, or anything like that, it's because if we didn't tell them that they were doing something wrong and just said "oh, he has asbergers, it's not his fault" then the guy would be being screwed over by us a lot more than if we told him. We know that he often can't help it, but we'll still say it, on the off chance that he can not do it, but doesn't realise that he's doing it. Does that make sense? Where I think part of the problems are arising is that from a non-autist perspective, some of the things you have to do, or say, are inexplicable to us. So there are times when you'll say "Hey, I can't help it" and that's cool, I can totally understand (well, I can accept that it's the case, saying I understand is assuming) that. But other times, you'll take a stance on something that doesn't make sense, and you won't say "I can't help it" and then we can only assume it's not anything to do with Autism, it's just a particular view you have. In that case, I don't see why people should hold back any criticism, because to do otherwise would be discriminating against you, because we aren't affording you the same... err, input... as we do everyone else. So basically, it boils down to this: I, and probably others, like you, in general. You do some weird stuff sometimes, but hey, who doesn't, and you have a better excuse than most of us :P However, I don't know exactly what Autism entails, and I probably never will, because I know I've looked it up before, and it's damn hard to remember all of the consequences. So we either have a choice of treating you like we treat everyone else, or pussyfooting around everything you say or do that we disagree with, and I'm sorry, but I refuse to do the second, as I think that that amounts to greater discrimination than the first. So if I'm ever having an argument with you about something, or I point something out that you can't help, feel free to tell me you can't help it, and I'll do my best to understand, but bear in mind that just like we need to remember that you don't think the same way as us, you need to remember that we don't necessarily think the same way as you either, and that what might come across as a barbed insult may just be an honest question or piece of advice. __________________ "I found it eventually, at the bottom of a locker in a disused laboratory, with a sign on the door saying "Beware of the Leopard". Ever thought of going into Advertising?" - Arthur Dent

05-07-2011, 03:24 AM	#3 (permalink)
s_k Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,206	Hey. Short reply as I really have to go; That's exacly what I do. I tell everyone about my disability/oddness so they can keep it in mind when they talk to me. So it's pretty awful that people hold it against me. And I just cannot believe Freebase didn't know this would hurt me. The things he says are just harsh, harsher, harshest. It's not like he even says 'but you can't help it, so don't bother, this is just what I think'. He mainly just says: You are only helping people because you want them to like you and you are only autistic because you don't want to work. There's no way of making that sound nice. I don't want anyone to spare me because I have aspergers. It would be nice if people would think twice before responding to my postings, but I cannot ask that from them. That doesn't mean they can just rant on about it without having a clue what they're on about, obviously. @ Freebase: If you want to reply, please understand that I'm not going to read your posting. The last one was very, very wrong too and It's not going to help our situation here when I read your next one. We're just going to have to live with eachother now. I would want to ask you to keep your ideas about me to yourself from now on. I cannot make you do this, but I think it's a good idea. __________________ Click here to see my collection

05-07-2011, 03:42 AM	#4 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,626	It's quite clear that some people can't handle this thread. I think perhaps this thread could do with an opt out clause. Those people that don't want to be included in this thread can be listed in the first post, in return they don't comment on anybody else and refrain from doing any posting in this thread. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.